From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 19 2009 - 11:46:00 ART
Nadeem, you cannot be Cisco Certified without agreeing to Cisco NDA.
If you read or scroll through, it's your choice. Laws in many countries
sometimes take whole libraries, and most people do not know many laws. Yet
they still have to abide by them.
Cisco, on the other hand, presents every candidate with NDA to read, and
will not give out any certification to any individual that does not agree to
NDA.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Nadeem Ansari
<nadeem.ansari574@gmail.com>wrote:
> Pls give me the URL I wanna read that :)
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Shaughn Smith <
> Shaughn.Smith@mtnbusiness.co.za> wrote:
>
>> The NDA policy around the CCIE track is not a new thing. Its been around
>> since the inception. It clearly states so on the Cisco website aswell.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Nadeem Ansari
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:14 PM
>> To: Pavel Bykov
>> Cc: Marc La Porte; Antonie Henning - MWEB; Julian Pentermann;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com; tipline@cisco.com; Paul Borghese
>> Subject: Re: Passed my Lab on Mar 17
>>
>> Hi Pavel,
>>
>> Your example is out of context, As far as I understand there are some well
>> known laws (global lwas) like which you have mentioned in your example of
>> killing and cisco's NDA is not well known.
>>
>> You can raise a new conversation just like "What is Cisco NDA policy" and
>> see how many people will revert on tha, most of them will think it is kind
>> of Cisco proprietary protocol.
>>
>> Regards
>> Nadeem
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Timothy: Congrats!
>> >
>> >
>> > Nadeem, just a note: not knowing the law is not an excuse in any country
>> > under any rule.
>> > If something is illegal, you should have known about it. Like you can't
>> go
>> > run over a couple of people and then say that you didn't know it was
>> illegal
>> > to kill.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Nadeem Ansari <
>> > nadeem.ansari574@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> :-) My intention was to have casual understanding of open ended
>> >> questions by
>> >> some examples and even I was not aware about cisco term NDA :-)
>> >> How can you prove guilty to somebody without understanding and
>> evaluating
>> >> him...
>> >>
>> >> This is just like if you are not with us you are against us (George
>> Bush)
>> >> Regards
>> >> Nadeem
>> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Marc La Porte <
>> marc.a.laporte@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Guys,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am already running the CCIE Hall of Fame... Don't ask me to also
>> >> > setup a CCIE Hall of Shame... It's too much ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Marc
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:25, Antonie Henning - MWEB <
>> >> AHenning@mweb.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > I agree with Julian, you are asking the original author to break
>> the
>> >> NDA,
>> >> > you should be banned from the list as it is clear that you are using
>> the
>> >> > list for purposes other than learning the technologies. You have no
>> >> > intention to uphold the NDA.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As for the Internetworkexpert simulation, please provide more
>> >> information
>> >> > to support your claim that it is against Cisco's policy? And second
>> to
>> >> even
>> >> > pretend that you are not aware that the other material is banned just
>> >> > underline the desperate need for a ccie hall of shame.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > CCIE Hall of Shame:
>> >> > > 1. Nadeem Ansari
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> >> Of
>> >> > Nadeem Ansari
>> >> > > Sent: 19 March 2009 10:51 AM
>> >> > > To: Julian Pentermann
>> >> > > Cc: Timothy Chin; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >> > > Subject: Re: Passed my Lab on Mar 17
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Julian,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Can you check this URl
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/ccie-routing-switching-core-knowledge-simulation.htm
>> >> > > ,
>> >> > > As Internetworkexpert had launched a product that will be a help
>> for
>> >> CCIE
>> >> > > open ended questions , is this against cisco policy and should be
>> >> banned
>> >> > as
>> >> > > per you ?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > And also written exams dumps of Pass4Sure which are almost same
>> like
>> >> > actual
>> >> > > Cisco Exams, is those should be banned as per you ?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Everybody have Right to Information.
>> >> > > Regards
>> >> > > Nadeem
>> >> > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Julian Pentermann
>> >> > > <julianalex189@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> You should be banned for asking questions like that on this
>> list...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Nadeem Ansari <
>> >> > nadeem.ansari574@gmail.com
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> Hi Congrats Dude :0 so its party time for u ;)
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Can you share open ended questions asked to you if possible
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Regards
>> >> > >>> Nadeem
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Timothy Chin <
>> tim@1c-solutions.com
>> >> >
>> >> > >>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> > I passed my R&S Lab on Mar 17. I would like to thank this group
>> >> and
>> >> > its
>> >> > >>> > members as this is a great group if you are studying for the
>> exam
>> >> > >>> because
>> >> > >>> > of
>> >> > >>> > the wealth of information and the help other members give. I
>> would
>> >> > >>> > especially
>> >> > >>> > like to thank Scott Morris, Jared Scrivener, Scott Vermillion,
>> >> Narbik
>> >> > >>> > Kocharians and Anthony Sequeira for their very knowledgable
>> posts
>> >> > which
>> >> > >>> > answered alot of my questions when I could find the answers
>> >> anywhere
>> >> > >>> else.
>> >> > >>> > Narbik, Thank you for your excellent bootcamp and workbooks. I
>> >> would
>> >> > >>> like
>> >> > >>> > to
>> >> > >>> > also thank InternetworkExpert for their excellent materials as
>> >> well.
>> >> > >>> These
>> >> > >>> > materials helped me do it all. Thanks guys!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Timothy Chin
>> >> > >>> > CCIE #23866
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >
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