From: dave dave (funccie@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 2009 - 00:17:33 ARST
Hi Michael,
If some one find it difficult to interprete the qustion properly, can he/she
approach the procter help. I also wanted to know are the question are
computerized check or manually checked by procter .....i guess it should be
manually checked, because if someone not good in english & answer peoperly
but did spelling mistake in every word how can the computer can grade
him/her?
Regards
Dave
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Michael Dorion <m.dorion@live.com> wrote:
> Yes that is what I am saying. I would think you should be able to answer
> the
> questions in 5 minutes, 10 at the most and not to make the mistakes I did.
>
> As far as studying, I can't speak for everyone but I think if you are a
> CCIE
> candidate you don't have to study for the open ended questions. I don't
> mean
> to take anything away from your friend. The decision is ultimately up to
> the
> candidate, that's just my advice. If you are taking the lab, you should
> already know conceptually how everything on the lab blueprint works in some
> detail.
>
> I have heard people who have trouble writing in English are having much
> more
> trouble with the questions. I'm not sure what to think about that but from
> what the proctors said they are not grading on grammar but just that you
> can
> demonstrate your understanding of the question. I have a ton of respect for
> anyone who passes the exam who doesn't have strong English. I have trouble
> interpreting the questions sometimes and I have a degree in
> English/Writing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jason Madsen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:50 PM
> To: Michael Dorion
> Cc: Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
>
> not to take away from your experience or discredit it in anyway, but with
> the new open ended questions, although authorized 30 minutes to complete, i
> think most people finish them (correctly or incorrectly) in closer to 10
> minutes max and are left with 7 hours and 50 minutes to acquire at least 59
> of the remaining 79 points. i think if anything, for many people, the
> questions may actually be a benefit strictly in terms of time mgt anyway.
>
> i don't think people should under credit the open ended questions either.
> i
> know of at least one person personally who has spent an enormous amount of
> time studying and labbing using materials from all of the top vendors for
> more than a year and failed his last lab attempt solely because of the open
> ended questions (i won't disclose who he is btw). i can assure you he
> wasn't memorizing lab scenarios either. he knew / knows most of the
> technologies inside and out from a labbing / understanding / configuring /
> troubleshooting perspective.
> based on feedback from other recent lab takers in this forum and others,
> the
> guy i know is just one of many. some people had open ended questions that
> were a "breeze" and others smoked the lab portion and didn't pass because
> of
> the open ended questions they got. my recommendation to all is that you of
> course do your due diligence in preparing for the lab, but also blow the
> dust off of all of your fundamentals books and re-review all of the
> "basics"
> again. best case scenario is that you get a set of simple open ended
> questions and have a bunch of timers, codes, metrics, and things in your
> brain that you didn't necessarily need. i mean what can a devoted few
> weeks
> focused on open ended question prep' hurt after studying who knows how long
> for the lab portion? worse case scenario otherwise is that you devote a
> year or twenty in lab preparation only, smoke the lab portion, and then
> fail
> overall due to a few written questions because of not revisiting default
> values, timers, codes and whatnot.
>
> Jason
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Dorion <m.dorion@live.com> wrote:
>
> > Well it was definitely on the lab itself, but I would say the questions
> did
> > affect my grade. The fact that you can have 30 minutes less on the lab
> and
> > my point strategy is gone definitely played a factor. This is why I'd say
> > you should only spend a few minutes. I'm sure some people can write a
> book
> > about some of the open-ended questions, but don't. Last attempt I
> finished
> > 2
> > hours early and had plenty of time to verify. This attempt I did slightly
> > worse and only finished all my configs with barely enough time to reload
> > and
> > run my TCL scripts. As soon as I walked out I thought of 2 things I
> forgot
> > to finish up.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Atlanta CCIE
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:17 PM
> > To: Michael Dorion
> > Cc: Edouard Zorrilla; Narbik Kocharians; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
> >
> > Tough luck Michael. At least you are being positive about it. Do you know
> > if
> > you failed due to openended questions or the lab? Once again its not
> about
> > the CCIE# but the knowledge that comes while going for the # :) Good luck
> > on
> > your next attempt!
> >
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