From: Michael Dorion (m.dorion@live.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 2009 - 04:25:14 ARST
Yes you can ask the proctors for help with interpretation. But what I meant
was the tasks in the lab part are confusing sometimes, not the open ended
questions.
As for grading - According to the proctors, they have a script run through
looking for keywords, then they have a proctor manually go through it to
verify if it is correct or incorrect. At lunch time the Sydney proctor said
he had already looked at my answers. Not sure if it is true or he was saying
that to bust by chops. He's a jokester like that.
They are intentionally vague about how the scoring works so I wouldn't
necessarily go by what you may have heard on here.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of dave
dave
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:18 PM
To: Michael Dorion
Cc: Jason Madsen; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
Hi Michael,
If some one find it difficult to interprete the qustion properly, can he/she
approach the procter help. I also wanted to know are the question are
computerized check or manually checked by procter .....i guess it should be
manually checked, because if someone not good in english & answer peoperly
but did spelling mistake in every word how can the computer can grade
him/her?
Regards
Dave
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Michael Dorion <m.dorion@live.com> wrote:
> Yes that is what I am saying. I would think you should be able to answer
> the
> questions in 5 minutes, 10 at the most and not to make the mistakes I did.
>
> As far as studying, I can't speak for everyone but I think if you are a
> CCIE
> candidate you don't have to study for the open ended questions. I don't
> mean
> to take anything away from your friend. The decision is ultimately up to
> the
> candidate, that's just my advice. If you are taking the lab, you should
> already know conceptually how everything on the lab blueprint works in
some
> detail.
>
> I have heard people who have trouble writing in English are having much
> more
> trouble with the questions. I'm not sure what to think about that but from
> what the proctors said they are not grading on grammar but just that you
> can
> demonstrate your understanding of the question. I have a ton of respect
for
> anyone who passes the exam who doesn't have strong English. I have trouble
> interpreting the questions sometimes and I have a degree in
> English/Writing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jason Madsen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:50 PM
> To: Michael Dorion
> Cc: Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
>
> not to take away from your experience or discredit it in anyway, but with
> the new open ended questions, although authorized 30 minutes to complete,
i
> think most people finish them (correctly or incorrectly) in closer to 10
> minutes max and are left with 7 hours and 50 minutes to acquire at least
59
> of the remaining 79 points. i think if anything, for many people, the
> questions may actually be a benefit strictly in terms of time mgt anyway.
>
> i don't think people should under credit the open ended questions either.
> i
> know of at least one person personally who has spent an enormous amount of
> time studying and labbing using materials from all of the top vendors for
> more than a year and failed his last lab attempt solely because of the
open
> ended questions (i won't disclose who he is btw). i can assure you he
> wasn't memorizing lab scenarios either. he knew / knows most of the
> technologies inside and out from a labbing / understanding / configuring /
> troubleshooting perspective.
> based on feedback from other recent lab takers in this forum and others,
> the
> guy i know is just one of many. some people had open ended questions that
> were a "breeze" and others smoked the lab portion and didn't pass because
> of
> the open ended questions they got. my recommendation to all is that you
of
> course do your due diligence in preparing for the lab, but also blow the
> dust off of all of your fundamentals books and re-review all of the
> "basics"
> again. best case scenario is that you get a set of simple open ended
> questions and have a bunch of timers, codes, metrics, and things in your
> brain that you didn't necessarily need. i mean what can a devoted few
> weeks
> focused on open ended question prep' hurt after studying who knows how
long
> for the lab portion? worse case scenario otherwise is that you devote a
> year or twenty in lab preparation only, smoke the lab portion, and then
> fail
> overall due to a few written questions because of not revisiting default
> values, timers, codes and whatnot.
>
> Jason
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Dorion <m.dorion@live.com> wrote:
>
> > Well it was definitely on the lab itself, but I would say the questions
> did
> > affect my grade. The fact that you can have 30 minutes less on the lab
> and
> > my point strategy is gone definitely played a factor. This is why I'd
say
> > you should only spend a few minutes. I'm sure some people can write a
> book
> > about some of the open-ended questions, but don't. Last attempt I
> finished
> > 2
> > hours early and had plenty of time to verify. This attempt I did
slightly
> > worse and only finished all my configs with barely enough time to reload
> > and
> > run my TCL scripts. As soon as I walked out I thought of 2 things I
> forgot
> > to finish up.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Atlanta CCIE
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:17 PM
> > To: Michael Dorion
> > Cc: Edouard Zorrilla; Narbik Kocharians; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
> >
> > Tough luck Michael. At least you are being positive about it. Do you
know
> > if
> > you failed due to openended questions or the lab? Once again its not
> about
> > the CCIE# but the knowledge that comes while going for the # :) Good
luck
> > on
> > your next attempt!
> >
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