From: Michael Dorion (m.dorion@live.com)
Date: Wed Feb 25 2009 - 17:24:52 ARST
Yes that is what I am saying. I would think you should be able to answer the
questions in 5 minutes, 10 at the most and not to make the mistakes I did.
As far as studying, I can't speak for everyone but I think if you are a CCIE
candidate you don't have to study for the open ended questions. I don't mean
to take anything away from your friend. The decision is ultimately up to the
candidate, that's just my advice. If you are taking the lab, you should
already know conceptually how everything on the lab blueprint works in some
detail.
I have heard people who have trouble writing in English are having much more
trouble with the questions. I'm not sure what to think about that but from
what the proctors said they are not grading on grammar but just that you can
demonstrate your understanding of the question. I have a ton of respect for
anyone who passes the exam who doesn't have strong English. I have trouble
interpreting the questions sometimes and I have a degree in English/Writing.
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Madsen
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:50 PM
To: Michael Dorion
Cc: Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
not to take away from your experience or discredit it in anyway, but with
the new open ended questions, although authorized 30 minutes to complete, i
think most people finish them (correctly or incorrectly) in closer to 10
minutes max and are left with 7 hours and 50 minutes to acquire at least 59
of the remaining 79 points. i think if anything, for many people, the
questions may actually be a benefit strictly in terms of time mgt anyway.
i don't think people should under credit the open ended questions either. i
know of at least one person personally who has spent an enormous amount of
time studying and labbing using materials from all of the top vendors for
more than a year and failed his last lab attempt solely because of the open
ended questions (i won't disclose who he is btw). i can assure you he
wasn't memorizing lab scenarios either. he knew / knows most of the
technologies inside and out from a labbing / understanding / configuring /
troubleshooting perspective.
based on feedback from other recent lab takers in this forum and others, the
guy i know is just one of many. some people had open ended questions that
were a "breeze" and others smoked the lab portion and didn't pass because of
the open ended questions they got. my recommendation to all is that you of
course do your due diligence in preparing for the lab, but also blow the
dust off of all of your fundamentals books and re-review all of the "basics"
again. best case scenario is that you get a set of simple open ended
questions and have a bunch of timers, codes, metrics, and things in your
brain that you didn't necessarily need. i mean what can a devoted few weeks
focused on open ended question prep' hurt after studying who knows how long
for the lab portion? worse case scenario otherwise is that you devote a
year or twenty in lab preparation only, smoke the lab portion, and then fail
overall due to a few written questions because of not revisiting default
values, timers, codes and whatnot.
Jason
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Dorion <m.dorion@live.com> wrote:
> Well it was definitely on the lab itself, but I would say the questions
did
> affect my grade. The fact that you can have 30 minutes less on the lab and
> my point strategy is gone definitely played a factor. This is why I'd say
> you should only spend a few minutes. I'm sure some people can write a book
> about some of the open-ended questions, but don't. Last attempt I finished
> 2
> hours early and had plenty of time to verify. This attempt I did slightly
> worse and only finished all my configs with barely enough time to reload
> and
> run my TCL scripts. As soon as I walked out I thought of 2 things I forgot
> to finish up.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Atlanta CCIE
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:17 PM
> To: Michael Dorion
> Cc: Edouard Zorrilla; Narbik Kocharians; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Leaving for R&S lab in Sydney
>
> Tough luck Michael. At least you are being positive about it. Do you know
> if
> you failed due to openended questions or the lab? Once again its not about
> the CCIE# but the knowledge that comes while going for the # :) Good luck
> on
> your next attempt!
>
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