From: Alexei Monastyrnyi (alexeim73@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 27 2009 - 05:55:28 ARST
Guys,
isn't it just a good time to stop it or go off-line with the subject?
With all due respect to all sides.
A.
Pavel Bykov wrote:
> Narbik, wtf of stubborn approach is that?
> Didn't I already tell you?
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/downloads/Cisco-Career-Certifications-and-Confidentiality-Agreement_v12.pdf
> The section "Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination
> materials" refers to tk/p4s providers, since they do actually have exact
> copies of examination materials - in intellectual property sense.
>
> That generalization is not enough for you? You want Cisco to state P4S and
> TK directly?
> Maybe you also want copyright law to contain name of every single individual
> that can copy your study materials without paying you a single dime? Because
> you know, copyright law's statement is no too different from Cisco's.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Could you please show me where Cisco states that P4S and/or TK is NOT
>> allowed.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Marko, point me to one place, where there is an official positive
>>> reference to braindumps on CLN.
>>> What you are saying is just not true:
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/10129#10129
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/12440#12440
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/12255#12255
>>>
>>> Response of one of the CLN moderators:
>>> Braindump sources are NOT allowed. The use of such materials is considered
>>> as cheating and a way of devaluing Cisco certifications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So no, TK/P4S is not recommended on CLN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 05:45, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Narbik,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you. The whole TK, P4S, reallabs.net, etc, thing is out
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> control. Microsoft has been very active in going after companies who
>>>>> degrade the value of their certifications. I don't quite understand why
>>>>> Cisco does do the same thing. I know they have some new initiatives
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>> regards to their test integrity, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see
>>>>> some changes on the horizon.
>>>>>
>>>> What is confusing is that, according to what I've seen on CLN, Cisco
>>>> is actually *recommending* P4S and TK as valid resources for exam
>>>> preparation.
>>>>
>>>> However, with the whole removing of routing from CCNP (no more BSCI,
>>>> it appears), I'm surprised they don't simply award CCxP to everyone
>>>> who applies.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>> --
>>> Pavel Bykov
>>> ----------------
>>> Don't forget to help stopping the braindumps, use of which reduces value
>>> of your certifications. Sign the petition at
>>> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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