From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 27 2009 - 05:00:32 ARST
Narbik, wtf of stubborn approach is that?
Didn't I already tell you?
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/downloads/Cisco-Career-Certifications-and-Confidentiality-Agreement_v12.pdf
The section "Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination
materials" refers to tk/p4s providers, since they do actually have exact
copies of examination materials - in intellectual property sense.
That generalization is not enough for you? You want Cisco to state P4S and
TK directly?
Maybe you also want copyright law to contain name of every single individual
that can copy your study materials without paying you a single dime? Because
you know, copyright law's statement is no too different from Cisco's.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> Could you please show me where Cisco states that P4S and/or TK is NOT
> allowed.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marko, point me to one place, where there is an official positive
>> reference to braindumps on CLN.
>> What you are saying is just not true:
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/10129#10129
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/12440#12440
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/12255#12255
>>
>> Response of one of the CLN moderators:
>> Braindump sources are NOT allowed. The use of such materials is considered
>> as cheating and a way of devaluing Cisco certifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> So no, TK/P4S is not recommended on CLN.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 05:45, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>> > Narbik,
>>> >
>>> > I agree with you. The whole TK, P4S, reallabs.net, etc, thing is out
>>> of
>>> > control. Microsoft has been very active in going after companies who
>>> > degrade the value of their certifications. I don't quite understand why
>>> > Cisco does do the same thing. I know they have some new initiatives
>>> with
>>> > regards to their test integrity, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see
>>> > some changes on the horizon.
>>>
>>>
>>> What is confusing is that, according to what I've seen on CLN, Cisco
>>> is actually *recommending* P4S and TK as valid resources for exam
>>> preparation.
>>>
>>> However, with the whole removing of routing from CCNP (no more BSCI,
>>> it appears), I'm surprised they don't simply award CCxP to everyone
>>> who applies.
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Pavel Bykov
>> ----------------
>> Don't forget to help stopping the braindumps, use of which reduces value
>> of your certifications. Sign the petition at
>> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Narbik Kocharians
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