From: theKonqueror (thekonqueror@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 15:46:47 ARST
People,
Why are we wasting precious time discussing language issues?
Candidates serious enough about CCIE can follow this:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/case_studies/lima_marcelo.html
Rahul Nagare
RHCE, CCIE#20863 R&S
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jonathan Greenwood II
<gwood83@gmail.com> wrote:
> Negative on the language change. It needs to be English only in my opinion
> as English should be the universal language for Technology Period. If a
> candidate is serious about his Certs whether it's Cisco or something else
> they need to get serious about their English as well. The proposal you guys
> are throwing out there will start to have all sorts of people communicating
> in their own language and will study in their own language. I think
> every major technology or cert is written in English let alone was created
> in the US ie Cisco, Microsoft, Oracle, Unix if you go back to the history
> at Berkley University. You have to have common ground far as language and
> English seems to be leading in several categorys outside of just technology
> in general, travel, business etc...
>
> My 2cents
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually the fairest thing to do would be to administer the test in more
>> than just English. At least 5 or 10 major languages that are prominent in
>> a
>> given region at a minium.
>>
>> There are CCIE's across the globe now and 75% of them probably do not speak
>> English as their native language.
>>
>> Fair is Fair.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I think the questions in the CCIE LAB exam should be in multiple
>> languages
>> > at the same time and they should mix it as well such that within the same
>> > sentence you would see 10 different languages, so one word will be in
>> > Arabic, the second word in Latin and so forth. Now....that's what i
>> > call challenging.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 15:16, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > You see that always puzzled me how people who can't read English
>> >> actually
>> >> > pass the lab and do so with apparent ease.
>> >>
>> >> That's "easy". First of all, passive command of the language is not
>> >> the same as "active use". I will give you my personal example.
>> >>
>> >> I perfectly read and can understand written and most of oral
>> >> Icelandic. However, I can't speak it fluently (I sound like a 7-year
>> >> old kid of foreign parents). I would have tremendous problem
>> >> explaining CCIE-level material in Icelandic. However, most of my
>> >> day-to-day work includes trouble tickets written in Icelandic that I
>> >> can read and act upon. I'm still network expert in Iceland :-).
>> >>
>> >> There are people who can read and probably write well enough in
>> >> English. They can understand technical literature in English with some
>> >> difficulty. However, those people may have a problem speaking English.
>> >> That makes them no less network experts.
>> >>
>> >> While I support the interview approach in general, we should really
>> >> remember that English is not even a second language for some. Sure, we
>> >> should all do it, but there should also be world peace :-).
>> >>
>> >>
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