From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 13:16:51 ARST
You see that always puzzled me how people who can't read English actually
pass the lab and do so with apparent ease.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, then maybe you have been to the lab with a cheater then. That is also
> a possibility, no?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>
>> Yup great... I'm just saying I have been to the lab with persons who could
>> not answer those questions in English... period.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Pavel Bykov
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:56 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Darby Weaver; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
>>
>> Joseph,
>> - IOS is in English
>> - Technologes are described in english - Most acronyms are made up in
>> English, and then "translated", often very poorly into other languages
>> - Most technologies used today were created by English speakers
>> - De facto world language is English
>> - It's multicultural with English interconnecting them
>>
>> - Proof? GS is in English
>>
>>
>> As a non-native English speaker, I can say that if you understand
>> technologies, you will be able to answer questions. We are not being
>> compared to Tolstoy. It doesn't matter if you can't say etherchannel.
>> You'll be able to understand "Etherchannel".
>>
>> With almost a billion english speakers, your analogy to gaalic and other
>> languages used by 10 people is irrelevant.
>>
>> With English, The playing level was more or less equal. Everyone had to
>> learn it and everyone has got pretty much same handicap. That's why I
>> didn't
>> like the news, that they ask questions in Chinese in China.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Joseph Brunner
>> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>>
>> > This is absolutely ridiculous.... I took the lab multiple times with
>> > engineers who could barely speak English...
>> >
>> > How in the world can Cisco do this??? Does Howard speak 118 languages
>> (does
>> > he have the time to learn them all?) Or does this just mean non-fluent
>> > English speakers FAIL the lab now... This would not be fair as I work
>> with
>> > several people from other countries I still CANT FULLY speak to
>> regarding
>> > the technologies or they would not understand me... ENGLISH is that
>> hard...
>> >
>> > I have given a person an interview for a job that was a multi-ccie. He
>> > could
>> > not say "etherchannel". Interestingly enough, a Cisco employee from
>> Belgium
>> > after the lab one time also didn't speak English very well.
>> >
>> > This is a really bad idea considering the multi-cultural atmosphere in
>> the
>> > world today... I think a better way to root out fakers would be an
>> intense
>> > troubleshooting part of the lab, preferably at the end where you fix 10
>> > issues plaguing a simulated real network (that you can reach after you
>> > "close" your main rack you work on all day). Of course once you close
>> your
>> > rack you can't go back and work on it some more, so it would definitely
>> be
>> > a
>> > 3 hour separate part at the end...
>> >
>> > Maybe some JNCIE's can shed some light on how they do the
>> troubleshooting
>> > part- (or is it a 2-day lab??) I remember reading the JNCIE pages and
>> them
>> > discussing "troubleshooting a live network"
>> >
>> > -Joe
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Darby Weaver
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:39 PM
>> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
>> >
>> > One online-buddy of mine from the UK said this:
>> >
>> > "I personally think it's hilarious, this is one of the premier
>> > certifications in the I.T industry and I find it amazing that
>> prospective
>> > candidates are being spooked at the thought of answering a few questions
>> > about a product/platform that they should be intimate with at this
>> stage."
>> >
>> > "And I could not agree with him more... and trust me we've had our
>> > differences."
>> >
>> > Are these questions as we used to (multi-choices) or direct questions
>> and
>> > you have to answer by writing & explaining ?
>> >
>> > My reply:
>> >
>> > By "open-ended" They will be questions we have to write and explain the
>> > details of the technology or even explain how given a certain scenario.
>> > No
>> > multiple-choice on this one.
>> >
>> >
>> > Open-ended question might be something like:
>> >
>> > 1. Explain how Arp works?
>> >
>> > 2. Explain how spanning-tree works given this scenario based on this
>> > topology after this physical topology change. (I'd advise referring to
>> the
>> > Cisco Press CCIE Exam Guide 3rd Edition for this)
>> >
>> > 3. Explain the Diffusing Updae Algorithm.
>> >
>> > 4. Explain Unequal-Cost Load Balancing.
>> >
>> > 5. Explain Poison Reverse.
>> >
>> > 6. Explain how Split-horizon works.
>> >
>> > 7. Explain inverse-arp.
>> >
>> > 8. Explain how a OSPF determines whether an area is transit.
>> >
>> > 9. Explain how peer groups work in BGP.
>> >
>> > 10. Explain how FRTS is determined based on a given set of criteria.
>> >
>> > 12. Explain how LLQ works and compare it to Priority Queueing and
>> > Class-Based Weighted Fair Queueing.
>> >
>> > 13. Explain how BGP Synchronization works.
>> >
>> > 14. Explain how redistribution works.
>> >
>> > 15. Explain how ip forward-protocol works.
>> >
>> > 16. Explain how NTP peers work.
>> >
>> > 17. Explain the states that BGP uses to determine the best path?
>> >
>> > 18. Explain the states that HSRP uses.
>> >
>> > 19. How does a router determine which route is better? And if we give
>> you
>> > this scenario? Explain, please.
>> >
>> > 20. How does a route-map work?
>> >
>> > 21. How does a distribute-list work?
>> >
>> > 22. How does a summary-address work? What will the routing table look
>> like
>> > 2
>> > routers away?
>> >
>> > 23. Give some examples of how we might use a loopback address.
>> >
>> > 24. How does NAT work and if we give you this scenario, explain in
>> detail
>> > please.
>> >
>> > 25. Compare and VRRP and HSRP and explain why one might be chosen over
>> the
>> > other under a given set of circumstances.
>> >
>> > 26. Which is the preferred route, iBGP or eBGP, why?
>> >
>> > 27. Explain how Next-hop-Self works?
>> >
>> > 28. Explain why we might use a loopback address instead of a physical
>> > interface in BGP?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This was a few of my questions I thought if it were me I might think up
>> on
>> > the fly. However, Cisco has had a seasoned team of very talented
>> > engineers,. program directors, and test designers spend months if not
>> years
>> > working on this and I'm sure all of them outrank my knowledge by
>> > comparison. So be prepared.
>> >
>> > In general, I'd expect that none of the questions (5 if the rumors are
>> > correct) would stump a CCIE Candidate who passed the CCIE Written and
>> who
>> > also spent at least 500 hours preparing for the CCIE Lab.
>> >
>> > Now from my experience, and I've got a lot of experience with written
>> exams
>> > from Cisco, Cisco typically expects us as CCIE Candidates to be able to
>> > successfully read, analyze, and select the correct answer at least
>> 65-80%
>> > of
>> > the time in most Multiple-Choice exams. Fair enough. Now we are going
>> to
>> > get about 10-12 or even 15 minutes to complete about 5 questions which
>> may
>> > constitute up to 5% of of our score on the CCIE Lab or 5 points.
>> >
>> > So either the questions are going to be about 3x more difficult that a
>> > typical CCIE Written exam or they are going to give us approximately 3
>> > minutes to read the "open-ended question" and close the gap on each of
>> > those
>> > questions and answer at least 4 of 5 of them successfully. Or perhaps
>> we
>> > will have succeeded in failing our lab exam despite the fact we know how
>> to
>> > type our commands correctly either through knowledge, experience,
>> > brute-force, or sheer memorization, etc. nonetheless we will have
>> probably
>> > not passed that lab exam this time around if any of the rumors
>> circulating
>> > regarding this are true.
>> >
>> > If they are false, then these 5 points might be weighted about the same
>> as
>> > any other section in the exam, however since no one has been to the exam
>> as
>> > of yet to see these questions, then no one can really say for sure.
>> >
>> > There was talk of a verbal review. Somewhere along the way I read on
>> > Cisco's QA this got cleared up and now it seems it will be a
>> computer-based
>> > writing drill as opposed to a face to face look a proctor or multiple
>> > proctors in the eye kind of thing. I recall Howard saying that one of
>> the
>> > reasons that the face to face review was dropped from the lab in the
>> first
>> > place was because so many candidates were very passionate and very
>> > unpredictable emotionally when receiving bad news or something to that
>> > effect. Hey, in the USA we have shooting sprees for less. Just joking
>> > here... no one needs to take up one's bad or lack of study habits with
>> any
>> > proctor. Nope, they don't fool with your configs at lunchtime either.
>> >
>> > Disclaimer: This is just a humble opinion on what to expect and as you
>> can
>> > see it is non-vendor biased. From my experience, all vendors usually
>> cover
>> > most of this if not all of it somewhere between Network+/CCNA to the
>> CCIE
>> > level of instruction.
>> >
>> > Overall, I'd say the best reference for these type of questions might
>> start
>> > with:
>> >
>> > Internetworking Technologies by Cisco Press
>> >
>> > It might sound simple but I think a lot of people overlook this
>> reference.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> >
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