From: Ronnie Angello (ronnie.angello@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 12:51:52 ARST
I agree - make t/s count for more points!
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> This is absolutely ridiculous.... I took the lab multiple times with
> engineers who could barely speak English...
>
> How in the world can Cisco do this??? Does Howard speak 118 languages (does
> he have the time to learn them all?) Or does this just mean non-fluent
> English speakers FAIL the lab now... This would not be fair as I work with
> several people from other countries I still CANT FULLY speak to regarding
> the technologies or they would not understand me... ENGLISH is that hard...
>
> I have given a person an interview for a job that was a multi-ccie. He could
> not say "etherchannel". Interestingly enough, a Cisco employee from Belgium
> after the lab one time also didn't speak English very well.
>
> This is a really bad idea considering the multi-cultural atmosphere in the
> world today... I think a better way to root out fakers would be an intense
> troubleshooting part of the lab, preferably at the end where you fix 10
> issues plaguing a simulated real network (that you can reach after you
> "close" your main rack you work on all day). Of course once you close your
> rack you can't go back and work on it some more, so it would definitely be a
> 3 hour separate part at the end...
>
> Maybe some JNCIE's can shed some light on how they do the troubleshooting
> part- (or is it a 2-day lab??) I remember reading the JNCIE pages and them
> discussing "troubleshooting a live network"
>
> -Joe
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:39 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
>
> One online-buddy of mine from the UK said this:
>
> "I personally think it's hilarious, this is one of the premier
> certifications in the I.T industry and I find it amazing that prospective
> candidates are being spooked at the thought of answering a few questions
> about a product/platform that they should be intimate with at this stage."
>
> "And I could not agree with him more... and trust me we've had our
> differences."
>
> Are these questions as we used to (multi-choices) or direct questions and
> you have to answer by writing & explaining ?
>
> My reply:
>
> By "open-ended" They will be questions we have to write and explain the
> details of the technology or even explain how given a certain scenario. No
> multiple-choice on this one.
>
>
> Open-ended question might be something like:
>
> 1. Explain how Arp works?
>
> 2. Explain how spanning-tree works given this scenario based on this
> topology after this physical topology change. (I'd advise referring to the
> Cisco Press CCIE Exam Guide 3rd Edition for this)
>
> 3. Explain the Diffusing Updae Algorithm.
>
> 4. Explain Unequal-Cost Load Balancing.
>
> 5. Explain Poison Reverse.
>
> 6. Explain how Split-horizon works.
>
> 7. Explain inverse-arp.
>
> 8. Explain how a OSPF determines whether an area is transit.
>
> 9. Explain how peer groups work in BGP.
>
> 10. Explain how FRTS is determined based on a given set of criteria.
>
> 12. Explain how LLQ works and compare it to Priority Queueing and
> Class-Based Weighted Fair Queueing.
>
> 13. Explain how BGP Synchronization works.
>
> 14. Explain how redistribution works.
>
> 15. Explain how ip forward-protocol works.
>
> 16. Explain how NTP peers work.
>
> 17. Explain the states that BGP uses to determine the best path?
>
> 18. Explain the states that HSRP uses.
>
> 19. How does a router determine which route is better? And if we give you
> this scenario? Explain, please.
>
> 20. How does a route-map work?
>
> 21. How does a distribute-list work?
>
> 22. How does a summary-address work? What will the routing table look like 2
> routers away?
>
> 23. Give some examples of how we might use a loopback address.
>
> 24. How does NAT work and if we give you this scenario, explain in detail
> please.
>
> 25. Compare and VRRP and HSRP and explain why one might be chosen over the
> other under a given set of circumstances.
>
> 26. Which is the preferred route, iBGP or eBGP, why?
>
> 27. Explain how Next-hop-Self works?
>
> 28. Explain why we might use a loopback address instead of a physical
> interface in BGP?
>
>
>
> This was a few of my questions I thought if it were me I might think up on
> the fly. However, Cisco has had a seasoned team of very talented
> engineers,. program directors, and test designers spend months if not years
> working on this and I'm sure all of them outrank my knowledge by
> comparison. So be prepared.
>
> In general, I'd expect that none of the questions (5 if the rumors are
> correct) would stump a CCIE Candidate who passed the CCIE Written and who
> also spent at least 500 hours preparing for the CCIE Lab.
>
> Now from my experience, and I've got a lot of experience with written exams
> from Cisco, Cisco typically expects us as CCIE Candidates to be able to
> successfully read, analyze, and select the correct answer at least 65-80% of
> the time in most Multiple-Choice exams. Fair enough. Now we are going to
> get about 10-12 or even 15 minutes to complete about 5 questions which may
> constitute up to 5% of of our score on the CCIE Lab or 5 points.
>
> So either the questions are going to be about 3x more difficult that a
> typical CCIE Written exam or they are going to give us approximately 3
> minutes to read the "open-ended question" and close the gap on each of those
> questions and answer at least 4 of 5 of them successfully. Or perhaps we
> will have succeeded in failing our lab exam despite the fact we know how to
> type our commands correctly either through knowledge, experience,
> brute-force, or sheer memorization, etc. nonetheless we will have probably
> not passed that lab exam this time around if any of the rumors circulating
> regarding this are true.
>
> If they are false, then these 5 points might be weighted about the same as
> any other section in the exam, however since no one has been to the exam as
> of yet to see these questions, then no one can really say for sure.
>
> There was talk of a verbal review. Somewhere along the way I read on
> Cisco's QA this got cleared up and now it seems it will be a computer-based
> writing drill as opposed to a face to face look a proctor or multiple
> proctors in the eye kind of thing. I recall Howard saying that one of the
> reasons that the face to face review was dropped from the lab in the first
> place was because so many candidates were very passionate and very
> unpredictable emotionally when receiving bad news or something to that
> effect. Hey, in the USA we have shooting sprees for less. Just joking
> here... no one needs to take up one's bad or lack of study habits with any
> proctor. Nope, they don't fool with your configs at lunchtime either.
>
> Disclaimer: This is just a humble opinion on what to expect and as you can
> see it is non-vendor biased. From my experience, all vendors usually cover
> most of this if not all of it somewhere between Network+/CCNA to the CCIE
> level of instruction.
>
> Overall, I'd say the best reference for these type of questions might start
> with:
>
> Internetworking Technologies by Cisco Press
>
> It might sound simple but I think a lot of people overlook this reference.
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