From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 11:45:42 ARST
Well, then maybe you have been to the lab with a cheater then. That is also
a possibility, no?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> Yup great... I'm just saying I have been to the lab with persons who could
> not answer those questions in English... period.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Pavel Bykov
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:56 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Darby Weaver; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
>
> Joseph,
> - IOS is in English
> - Technologes are described in english - Most acronyms are made up in
> English, and then "translated", often very poorly into other languages
> - Most technologies used today were created by English speakers
> - De facto world language is English
> - It's multicultural with English interconnecting them
>
> - Proof? GS is in English
>
>
> As a non-native English speaker, I can say that if you understand
> technologies, you will be able to answer questions. We are not being
> compared to Tolstoy. It doesn't matter if you can't say etherchannel.
> You'll be able to understand "Etherchannel".
>
> With almost a billion english speakers, your analogy to gaalic and other
> languages used by 10 people is irrelevant.
>
> With English, The playing level was more or less equal. Everyone had to
> learn it and everyone has got pretty much same handicap. That's why I
> didn't
> like the news, that they ask questions in Chinese in China.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Joseph Brunner
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > This is absolutely ridiculous.... I took the lab multiple times with
> > engineers who could barely speak English...
> >
> > How in the world can Cisco do this??? Does Howard speak 118 languages
> (does
> > he have the time to learn them all?) Or does this just mean non-fluent
> > English speakers FAIL the lab now... This would not be fair as I work
> with
> > several people from other countries I still CANT FULLY speak to regarding
> > the technologies or they would not understand me... ENGLISH is that
> hard...
> >
> > I have given a person an interview for a job that was a multi-ccie. He
> > could
> > not say "etherchannel". Interestingly enough, a Cisco employee from
> Belgium
> > after the lab one time also didn't speak English very well.
> >
> > This is a really bad idea considering the multi-cultural atmosphere in
> the
> > world today... I think a better way to root out fakers would be an
> intense
> > troubleshooting part of the lab, preferably at the end where you fix 10
> > issues plaguing a simulated real network (that you can reach after you
> > "close" your main rack you work on all day). Of course once you close
> your
> > rack you can't go back and work on it some more, so it would definitely
> be
> > a
> > 3 hour separate part at the end...
> >
> > Maybe some JNCIE's can shed some light on how they do the troubleshooting
> > part- (or is it a 2-day lab??) I remember reading the JNCIE pages and
> them
> > discussing "troubleshooting a live network"
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:39 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
> >
> > One online-buddy of mine from the UK said this:
> >
> > "I personally think it's hilarious, this is one of the premier
> > certifications in the I.T industry and I find it amazing that prospective
> > candidates are being spooked at the thought of answering a few questions
> > about a product/platform that they should be intimate with at this
> stage."
> >
> > "And I could not agree with him more... and trust me we've had our
> > differences."
> >
> > Are these questions as we used to (multi-choices) or direct questions and
> > you have to answer by writing & explaining ?
> >
> > My reply:
> >
> > By "open-ended" They will be questions we have to write and explain the
> > details of the technology or even explain how given a certain scenario.
> > No
> > multiple-choice on this one.
> >
> >
> > Open-ended question might be something like:
> >
> > 1. Explain how Arp works?
> >
> > 2. Explain how spanning-tree works given this scenario based on this
> > topology after this physical topology change. (I'd advise referring to
> the
> > Cisco Press CCIE Exam Guide 3rd Edition for this)
> >
> > 3. Explain the Diffusing Updae Algorithm.
> >
> > 4. Explain Unequal-Cost Load Balancing.
> >
> > 5. Explain Poison Reverse.
> >
> > 6. Explain how Split-horizon works.
> >
> > 7. Explain inverse-arp.
> >
> > 8. Explain how a OSPF determines whether an area is transit.
> >
> > 9. Explain how peer groups work in BGP.
> >
> > 10. Explain how FRTS is determined based on a given set of criteria.
> >
> > 12. Explain how LLQ works and compare it to Priority Queueing and
> > Class-Based Weighted Fair Queueing.
> >
> > 13. Explain how BGP Synchronization works.
> >
> > 14. Explain how redistribution works.
> >
> > 15. Explain how ip forward-protocol works.
> >
> > 16. Explain how NTP peers work.
> >
> > 17. Explain the states that BGP uses to determine the best path?
> >
> > 18. Explain the states that HSRP uses.
> >
> > 19. How does a router determine which route is better? And if we give
> you
> > this scenario? Explain, please.
> >
> > 20. How does a route-map work?
> >
> > 21. How does a distribute-list work?
> >
> > 22. How does a summary-address work? What will the routing table look
> like
> > 2
> > routers away?
> >
> > 23. Give some examples of how we might use a loopback address.
> >
> > 24. How does NAT work and if we give you this scenario, explain in detail
> > please.
> >
> > 25. Compare and VRRP and HSRP and explain why one might be chosen over
> the
> > other under a given set of circumstances.
> >
> > 26. Which is the preferred route, iBGP or eBGP, why?
> >
> > 27. Explain how Next-hop-Self works?
> >
> > 28. Explain why we might use a loopback address instead of a physical
> > interface in BGP?
> >
> >
> >
> > This was a few of my questions I thought if it were me I might think up
> on
> > the fly. However, Cisco has had a seasoned team of very talented
> > engineers,. program directors, and test designers spend months if not
> years
> > working on this and I'm sure all of them outrank my knowledge by
> > comparison. So be prepared.
> >
> > In general, I'd expect that none of the questions (5 if the rumors are
> > correct) would stump a CCIE Candidate who passed the CCIE Written and who
> > also spent at least 500 hours preparing for the CCIE Lab.
> >
> > Now from my experience, and I've got a lot of experience with written
> exams
> > from Cisco, Cisco typically expects us as CCIE Candidates to be able to
> > successfully read, analyze, and select the correct answer at least 65-80%
> > of
> > the time in most Multiple-Choice exams. Fair enough. Now we are going to
> > get about 10-12 or even 15 minutes to complete about 5 questions which
> may
> > constitute up to 5% of of our score on the CCIE Lab or 5 points.
> >
> > So either the questions are going to be about 3x more difficult that a
> > typical CCIE Written exam or they are going to give us approximately 3
> > minutes to read the "open-ended question" and close the gap on each of
> > those
> > questions and answer at least 4 of 5 of them successfully. Or perhaps we
> > will have succeeded in failing our lab exam despite the fact we know how
> to
> > type our commands correctly either through knowledge, experience,
> > brute-force, or sheer memorization, etc. nonetheless we will have
> probably
> > not passed that lab exam this time around if any of the rumors
> circulating
> > regarding this are true.
> >
> > If they are false, then these 5 points might be weighted about the same
> as
> > any other section in the exam, however since no one has been to the exam
> as
> > of yet to see these questions, then no one can really say for sure.
> >
> > There was talk of a verbal review. Somewhere along the way I read on
> > Cisco's QA this got cleared up and now it seems it will be a
> computer-based
> > writing drill as opposed to a face to face look a proctor or multiple
> > proctors in the eye kind of thing. I recall Howard saying that one of
> the
> > reasons that the face to face review was dropped from the lab in the
> first
> > place was because so many candidates were very passionate and very
> > unpredictable emotionally when receiving bad news or something to that
> > effect. Hey, in the USA we have shooting sprees for less. Just joking
> > here... no one needs to take up one's bad or lack of study habits with
> any
> > proctor. Nope, they don't fool with your configs at lunchtime either.
> >
> > Disclaimer: This is just a humble opinion on what to expect and as you
> can
> > see it is non-vendor biased. From my experience, all vendors usually
> cover
> > most of this if not all of it somewhere between Network+/CCNA to the CCIE
> > level of instruction.
> >
> > Overall, I'd say the best reference for these type of questions might
> start
> > with:
> >
> > Internetworking Technologies by Cisco Press
> >
> > It might sound simple but I think a lot of people overlook this
> reference.
> >
> >
> >
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