From: Jonny English (redkidneybeans@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 2009 - 20:43:45 ARST
wow, I can't believe Cisco keeps you in the loop on everything single thing
they do. You must have a fan base there as well ;)
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yes, the new interview questions are the least of a person's problems.
>
> Wait till the candidates who prepared using topologies and configs they may
> or may not have memorized are no longer present on the lab at all.
>
> Unless of course they fail or are perceived to have failed the verbal
> portion of the lab.
>
> 1. Real Candidates get the Real Labs
>
> 2. Candidates who failed the verbal get the what the labs they expected to
> see aka the "memorizes labs".
>
>
> I think its a total work of art.
>
> FYI - Cisco spent a good little penny about 6-7 months ago putting together
> a think-tank to make the late "memorization-proof".
> The biggest problem presented was how to stop anyone from simply memorizing
> one or more portions of the lab exam.
>
> So...
>
> 1. The Interview - Verbal.
> 2. Give the cheaters what they expect to see - They already failed the lab
> anyway.
> 3. Give the Real Candidates a Real Lab - They did not come with
> pre-conceived notions and so they will never know the difference in the
> first place.
>
> This means:
>
> 1. The gunmen or people who try to pass by memorization will shake their
> heads wondering why they failed.
> 2. The Real Lab Candidates will either pass or fail and will be none the
> wiser.
> 3. The lab exam will maintain its integrity and standing as the premier
> un-cheatable certification exam in the entire I.T. industry and the value
> of
> the CCIE is maintained.
>
> I think it is pure genius.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jason Morris <mcnever@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think from a 'PR perspective' they should have pushed it out 90
> > days. Only because people who are scheduled within the next 90 days
> > have already paid for the exam and now they're changing it. Yeah it
> > shouldn't matter, if you can pass the exam you should be able to
> > answer the questions but, its the principle of the thing.
> >
> > I wonder if an exceptable answer for the 'OSPF timer question' would
> > be 'sho ip osp int'... I'm going to try to answer all my questions in
> > the form of show commands...
> >
> >
> > "You just stated " I believe people are free to express how they feel".
> > Then
> > you are telling me that I should keep it to myself. I am doing exactly
> what
> > you stated. Have a great day."
> >
> > Thats what makes defending civil liberties such a bitch, you're always
> > defending someone elses right to try to take your rights away... at
> > point... you lose
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:43 AM, abdul muhammed <abdulmuri@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > It is unfortunate that in a study group like these, their are low
> > > minded people who generalised statement without facts instead of
> > > discussing the issue at hand. I believe no country in these whole
> > > world that is a saint without criminal records.
> > >
> > > I hope we will not have a reason to turn the study group into an
> > > avenue for attacking countries rather than the initial objective.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> You are right. Not all nigerians are scammers but for some reason all
> > >> scammers are nigerians :)
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Valentine Amalu <vamalu@secnetng.com
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hey,
> > >>> Do you guys mind? There are Nigerians on the forum, and just incase
> you
> > >>> don't know, we are not all scammers! Stcik to the issue at hand.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Valentine
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >>> Huan
> > >>> Pham
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:16 PM
> > >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> > >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > >>> Scoring
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah I see that now
> > >>>
> > >>> If this turns out not to be a hoax then by doing this type of
> > communication
> > >>> practice, Cisco has greatly helped Negerian scammers in bluring the
> > line
> > >>> between true stories & hoaxes then ;)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On 15/01/2009, at 6:58 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> > >>> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Huan,
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem is that if you go to www.cisco.com and then navigate to
> > the
> > >>> certification online support page (so that you can be confident
> you're
> > not
> > >>> being directed to a bogus site), you will find a Q&A that confirms
> this
> > >>> change and addresses a number of questions regarding it. The e-mail
> is
> > >>> poorly worded, suggesting a hoax. Also, this is not in alignment
> with
> > >>> Cisco's general practice of announcing changes six months out,
> further
> > >>> raising suspicions (at least in some of us). However, unless someone
> > has
> > >>> hacked Cisco's online cert support site, it appears to be
> authentic...
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Huan Pham [mailto:pnhuan@yahoo.com]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:47 PM
> > >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> > >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > >>> Scoring
> > >>>
> > >>> Can't agree more! It's a hoax
> > >>>
> > >>> Based on responses from this highly technical list, i guess Nigerean
> > >>> scammers will continue to be able to make easy money by sending scam
> > >>> emails!!!!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On 15/01/2009, at 2:39 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> > >>> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Have to admit that my initial reaction was that this must be a forged
> > >>> e-mail
> > >>> based on the following passage:
> > >>>
> > >>> "The exams are not been increased in difficulty..."
> > >>>
> > >>> Not exactly the kind of grammatical gymnastics you would expect to
> see
> > in
> > >>> an
> > >>> official communiqui from Cisco.
> > >>>
> > >>> However, there is now a Q&A session at the Online Support page:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
> > >>> ?
> > >>> p_sid=*_D94Vnj
> > >>>
> > >>> No mention of any changes to the written to be found there as yet...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >>> hanan
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:04 AM
> > >>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >>> Subject: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > Scoring
> > >>>
> > >>> Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and Scoring
> > >>>
> > >>> Effective February 1, 2009, Cisco will introduce a new type of
> question
> > >>> format to CCIE Routing and Switching lab exams. In addition to the
> live
> > >>> configuration scenarios, candidates will be asked a series of four or
> > five
> > >>> open-ended questions, drawn from a pool of questions based on the
> > material
> > >>> covered on the lab blueprint. No new topics are being added. The
> exams
> > are
> > >>> not been increased in difficulty and the well-prepared candidate
> should
> > >>> have
> > >>> no trouble answering the questions. The length of the exam will
> remain
> > >>> eight
> > >>> hours. Candidates will need to achieve a passing score on both the
> > >>> open-ended questions and the lab portion in order to pass the lab and
> > >>> become
> > >>> certified. Other CCIE tracks will change over the next year, with
> > exact
> > >>> dates announced in advance.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Effective February 17th, 2009, candidates will also see two other
> > changes
> > >>> in
> > >>> CCIE written exams. First, candidates will now be required to answer
> > each
> > >>> question before moving on to the next question; candidates will no
> > longer
> > >>> be
> > >>> allowed to skip a question and come back to it at a later time.
> Second,
> > >>> there will be an update to the score report. The overall exam score
> and
> > the
> > >>> exam passing score will now be reported as a scaled score, on a scale
> > from
> > >>> 300-1000. This change will not affect the difficulty of the current
> set
> > of
> > >>> exams and will assure CCIE written exams will be consistent with
> > Cisco's
> > >>> other career certification exams.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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