Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and

From: Ronnie Angello (ronnie.angello@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 15 2009 - 15:07:19 ARST

> It's coming...

Wow - how's that gonna work exactly? That would really suck for all
of the 3x, 4x, 5x + CCIEs out there. How would you resit the ISP
Dial, Design, or SNA/IP Integration labs? I would be down with sitting
the lab again if it meant the CCIE regaining the respect that it once
had.

I just glanced at Global Knowledge's "The Industry's 10 Best IT
Certifications" (what a bunch of bs) and CCIE wasn't even on the list!
 WTF! I worked my ass off to get it so knowing that some people took
shortcuts does piss me off. That's one of the reasons why I initially
wanted to get the CCDE but I've found that I'm not quite sure that
it's for me... I guess at the end of the day it's still just a cert
and doesn't define you as an engineer anyway.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's coming...
>
> Over 15,000 of 20,000 CCIE's have potentially taken the shortcut in one form
> or another or had the opportunity to do so. That's about 3/4 of the current
> crop. Taken with the fact that a certain number of the first 4000-5000 are
> either the best of the best of obsolete entirely.... that's quite a large
> problem.
>
> If each was had taken the lab with no "help" then Cisco... might have earned
> at least 1-2 more attempts per CCIE on average.
>
>
> This cuts into the program's profit margins and that is a little number but
> a substantial number.
>
>
> Remember Howard did say the lab has become something of a profit center
> now. Not its intention but it just is.
>
>
> I just told a guy privately about asking a thinly veiled suspicious
> question... and someone questioned me on it...
>
>
> You see if you read groupstudy and just start de-certifying people who took
> a chance to ask or answer violations the number of CCIE's would go down as a
> direct result.
>
> People are always trying to slip through the crack and even water takes the
> path of least resistence. Can't expect people to do differently.
>
>
> The question is this:
>
> Does Cisco want to make CCIE's who hold a paper and that paper holds
> "anything" or does Cisco want to make Quality Network Engineers who can
> operate effectively and efficiently in the field.
>
> Here's a quote from a CCIE from about 7 years ago taken today:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Been a long time since I've been on the professional mailing list.
> Anyway, I'm currently trying to recertify my CCIE R&S, and having a
> monstrously hard time passing the R&S written, failed it twice now with the
> same exact score, despite hitting the book (Cisco Press CCIE R&S Exam cert
> guide 3rd edition) really hard for the second time. Not sure what the issue
> is, both times had to hurry towards the end, needing 5 more minutes
> probably. Is there something else you guys are using to study from? I've
> used the CD with it, which has a Boson exam. Only issue is I see some
> errors on the boson exam, so I lose confidence on it. Both times I was 5%
> away from passing, so I'm close. I'm just shocked at the same score this
> second time. Getting nervous about the expiration date coming up. Any
> suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.
>
>
>
> On 1/15/09, Ahsan Mohiuddin <ahsan.mohiuddin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just hope they aren't going to ask all current CCIEs to re-sit the lab
>> !!!
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone else here that Cisco is planning to suspend the CCIE Lab
>>> Testting
>>> for all tracks for 90-Days to revamp the program?
>>>
>>> Ouch!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well, I think it is an "english-, read-between-the-lines-,
>>> > find-hidden-task-in-wording-, did-I-really-configure-what-THEY-want
>>> exam"
>>> > As non native english speaker the wording can get tricky.
>>> >
>>> > To me, only knowing the technology is not enough, you need to be able to
>>> do
>>> > the stuff mentioned above as well...
>>> >
>>> > BUT, that's the game, we all know it....(even though, it doesn t make it
>>> > more acceptable for me...)
>>> >
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> > Roger
>>> >
>>> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> > Von: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag
>>> von
>>> > robclav@gmail.com
>>> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 21:52
>>> > An: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > Betreff: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>>> > Scoring
>>> >
>>> > The main issue for a lot of people will be answer in the proper way in
>>> > english. because untill now it wasnt an english exam I hope they give
>>> you a
>>> > queen english oxford certificate when you pass at least!!!! ;)
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