From: Tony Varriale (tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com)
Date: Thu Jan 15 2009 - 15:20:35 ARST
It's a single sourced rumor at this point.
Just like the profit center and the proctor and the other blah blah
blah...nothing in stone, without merit, no proof and no official
announcement.
tv
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Ronnie Angello
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:07 AM
To: Darby Weaver
Cc: Ahsan Mohiuddin; Roger RPF; robclav@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
Scoring
> It's coming...
Wow - how's that gonna work exactly? That would really suck for all
of the 3x, 4x, 5x + CCIEs out there. How would you resit the ISP
Dial, Design, or SNA/IP Integration labs? I would be down with sitting
the lab again if it meant the CCIE regaining the respect that it once
had.
I just glanced at Global Knowledge's "The Industry's 10 Best IT
Certifications" (what a bunch of bs) and CCIE wasn't even on the list!
WTF! I worked my ass off to get it so knowing that some people took
shortcuts does piss me off. That's one of the reasons why I initially
wanted to get the CCDE but I've found that I'm not quite sure that
it's for me... I guess at the end of the day it's still just a cert
and doesn't define you as an engineer anyway.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It's coming...
>
> Over 15,000 of 20,000 CCIE's have potentially taken the shortcut in one
form
> or another or had the opportunity to do so. That's about 3/4 of the
current
> crop. Taken with the fact that a certain number of the first 4000-5000
are
> either the best of the best of obsolete entirely.... that's quite a large
> problem.
>
> If each was had taken the lab with no "help" then Cisco... might have
earned
> at least 1-2 more attempts per CCIE on average.
>
>
> This cuts into the program's profit margins and that is a little number
but
> a substantial number.
>
>
> Remember Howard did say the lab has become something of a profit center
> now. Not its intention but it just is.
>
>
> I just told a guy privately about asking a thinly veiled suspicious
> question... and someone questioned me on it...
>
>
> You see if you read groupstudy and just start de-certifying people who
took
> a chance to ask or answer violations the number of CCIE's would go down as
a
> direct result.
>
> People are always trying to slip through the crack and even water takes
the
> path of least resistence. Can't expect people to do differently.
>
>
> The question is this:
>
> Does Cisco want to make CCIE's who hold a paper and that paper holds
> "anything" or does Cisco want to make Quality Network Engineers who can
> operate effectively and efficiently in the field.
>
> Here's a quote from a CCIE from about 7 years ago taken today:
>
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---------------
>
> Been a long time since I've been on the professional mailing list.
> Anyway, I'm currently trying to recertify my CCIE R&S, and having a
> monstrously hard time passing the R&S written, failed it twice now with
the
> same exact score, despite hitting the book (Cisco Press CCIE R&S Exam cert
> guide 3rd edition) really hard for the second time. Not sure what the
issue
> is, both times had to hurry towards the end, needing 5 more minutes
> probably. Is there something else you guys are using to study from? I've
> used the CD with it, which has a Boson exam. Only issue is I see some
> errors on the boson exam, so I lose confidence on it. Both times I was 5%
> away from passing, so I'm close. I'm just shocked at the same score this
> second time. Getting nervous about the expiration date coming up. Any
> suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.
>
>
>
> On 1/15/09, Ahsan Mohiuddin <ahsan.mohiuddin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just hope they aren't going to ask all current CCIEs to re-sit the lab
>> !!!
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Darby Weaver
<ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone else here that Cisco is planning to suspend the CCIE Lab
>>> Testting
>>> for all tracks for 90-Days to revamp the program?
>>>
>>> Ouch!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well, I think it is an "english-, read-between-the-lines-,
>>> > find-hidden-task-in-wording-, did-I-really-configure-what-THEY-want
>>> exam"
>>> > As non native english speaker the wording can get tricky.
>>> >
>>> > To me, only knowing the technology is not enough, you need to be able
to
>>> do
>>> > the stuff mentioned above as well...
>>> >
>>> > BUT, that's the game, we all know it....(even though, it doesn t make
it
>>> > more acceptable for me...)
>>> >
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> > Roger
>>> >
>>> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> > Von: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag
>>> von
>>> > robclav@gmail.com
>>> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 21:52
>>> > An: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > Betreff: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>>> > Scoring
>>> >
>>> > The main issue for a lot of people will be answer in the proper way in
>>> > english. because untill now it wasnt an english exam I hope they give
>>> you a
>>> > queen english oxford certificate when you pass at least!!!! ;)
>>> > BlackBerry de movistar, allm donde estis esta tu oficin@
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> >
>>> >
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