From: Anthony Sequeira (asequeira@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Thu Jan 15 2009 - 01:10:50 ARST
I posted some sample questions on our blog today - just so students
could get an idea of what an open ended question could look like based
on the R/S Blueprint.
Hopefully these sample questions will also immediately calm folks down
about this.
:-)
Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
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On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> IMHO, no we will not be working on sample questions. I at least
> (perhaps
> on my own, but I'll stand up for it) am firmly of the belief that if
> you
> work through the workbook with the goal of UNDERSTANDING things,
> then you
> will be overprepared for the lab, and thus able to answer any silly
> question
> that gets thrown at you.
>
>
>
> So if working on (insert appropriate vendor here) workbook does not
> build
> your confidence to that level, then that is a problem LEARN and
> you will
> know. Memorize, and you'll be hosed.
>
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> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
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>
> Knowledge is power.
> Power corrupts.
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
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>
> From: Piyoush Sharma [mailto:piyoush@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:32 PM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
>
>
> I kinda like that Scott!!!
> If a candidate spends months and months learning the technology, those
> points should be a breeze... even if they carry couple of points.. I
> know
> quite a few who failed with that much margin...
> All in all, I agree that its not a big deal and if you prepare right
> its to
> your advantage.
>
> I wonder though if the WB vendors going to include a select 5
> questions as
> part of their respective mock labs.. or if they should..
> Knowing how tough the wb are... I can oonly guess the questions
> would test
> even more...
> Lol.. not let the candidate sit for the mock lab if they cannot
> answer the
> question... a true lab experience (minus the $$$.. or maybe plus)
>
>
> Piyoush
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Scott Morris
> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> "Why" would be subjective. I don't think it'll get that.
>
>
>
> The other thing to look at is that you're getting points for these
> things..
> That means that your exam will have LESS points you need to worry
> about.
> This SHOULD be easy stuff!
>
>
>
> From: James MacDonald [mailto:j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
>
>
> i agree ... just pointing out that it will cause undue stress on
> people ...
> i personally think the questions will likely be based on the
> technical tasks
> on the specific exam the candidate gets ... i.e. did you know and
> understand
> "why" you configured something in such a way as opposed to just doing
> something because you were told to based on how the config looks ...
> just my
> 2 cents ... but they should post some actual examples so that people
> can
> gauge them.
>
>
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> Jim MacDonald
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> From: Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: James MacDonald <j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:26:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> People don't like change. Period. but ya know, this should be
> viewed as
> simply another part of "Anything is fair game" that we've had the
> mantra of
> for years.
>
> If you are going to sit for the CCIE Lab exam, you SHOULD be able to
> tell
> something about different pieces. Nobody is going to ask you to
> "explain
> the significance and history of spanning-tree on today's networks".
> While
> that's definitely open-ended, it may also take a two hour answer.
>
> However, if I asked you "Please tell me the default OSPF network
> type on a
> frame-relay physical interface and what timers are associated with
> that" are
> you telling me that after months/years of studying for the lab exam
> that you
> could not answer that?
>
> And even that may be more complicated than what they ask. The
> object is to
> weed out the "absolutely clueless" e.g. folks who go to memorize the
> exam
> and not accomplish anything.
>
> If anyone here happens to be one of those types, I will at least
> applaud you
> for making an effort reading ongoing technical discussions, but
> otherwise I
> think we can all agree that's a bad thing. These questions are not
> designed
> to trip you up, or otherwise test your grasp of the the nuances of the
> english language.
>
> Any real candidate SHOULD NOT have any difficulty with the questions
> from
> what I understand of them.
>
> But yes, it's something different. No, it doesn't affect your lab
> time (you
> get points for these, this should be GOOD, EASY points!). No,
> there's no
> additional studying you have to do. Whether you type it in or say
> something
> (1-3 word answers) shouldn't make any difference?
>
> Yes, there's always the chance that you'll be asked about something
> you
> would typically have to look up when doing a lab. So yes, you MAY
> lose one
> of these questions (just thinking raw possibilities here) but if
> you missed
> all five of them because you'd have to look those things up, I would
> venture
> to say you would have an issue with a lab exam as well be looking up
> too
> much!
>
> Don't stress out about these things. Just concentrate on knowing the
> technologies and you'll be fine!
>
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> Knowledge is power.
> Power corrupts.
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> James MacDonald
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:17 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> I'm surprised they are announcing a fairly vague change to the lab
> exam on
> Jan 14th ... and making it effective Feb 1st (just got this in the
> Learning@Cisco news letter) ... seems like short notice regardless
> of how
> hard the questions will be ... my exam slips in just before that but
> i sure
> wouldn't want to have the stress of the "unknown" with only 2 weeks
> out to
> my exam ... i feel bad for those booked at the start of Feb who are
> following a structure they set out months ago and now need to re-
> group and
> re-read some theory which will take away from their last hours prep
> on the
> practical.
>
> I'm not impressed with this ... even though it doesn't impact me at
> this
> time ...
>
> ------------------------------
> Jim MacDonald
> j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
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> ________________________________
> From: Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com>
> To: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> Cc: hanan <nouran@skynet.be>; syedraheel@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:00:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a
> sample
> question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of
> how
> long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required
> and
> maybe even how they are scored.
>
> If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25
> minutes . Will
> they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
>
>
> I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and
> details.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>
>> Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just
>> can't
>> theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router ,
>> you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will
>> divert
>> the
>> attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the
>> technology
>> but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
>> technology. What's your say Group ?
>>
>> Ravi
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
>>
>>> Question
>>> Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE
>>> blueprints?
>> How
>>> can I prepare (study) for the questions?
>>>
>>>
>>> Answer
>>> The short answer questions cover material already listed on
>>> the
>> CCIE
>>> lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered
>>> easily and
>>> quickly by well-prepared candidates.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> syedraheel@gmail.com
>>> Sent: 14 January 2009 10:20
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
>>> and
>>> Scoring
>>>
>>> Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it seems
> that
>>> it
>>> will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
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