From: iSeeSeeie (uniqsam@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2009 - 15:18:37 ARST
what if you are allergic to proctors like I am??
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM, James MacDonald <j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> i agree ... just pointing out that it will cause undue stress on people ...
> i personally think the questions will likely be based on the technical tasks
> on the specific exam the candidate gets ... i.e. did you know and understand
> "why" you configured something in such a way as opposed to just doing
> something because you were told to based on how the config looks ... just my
> 2 cents ... but they should post some actual examples so that people can
> gauge them.
>
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> Jim MacDonald
> j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
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>
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> ________________________________
> From: Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: James MacDonald <j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:26:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> People don't like change. Period. but ya know, this should be viewed as
> simply another part of "Anything is fair game" that we've had the mantra of
> for years.
>
> If you are going to sit for the CCIE Lab exam, you SHOULD be able to tell
> something about different pieces. Nobody is going to ask you to "explain
> the significance and history of spanning-tree on today's networks". While
> that's definitely open-ended, it may also take a two hour answer.
>
> However, if I asked you "Please tell me the default OSPF network type on a
> frame-relay physical interface and what timers are associated with that"
> are
> you telling me that after months/years of studying for the lab exam that
> you
> could not answer that?
>
> And even that may be more complicated than what they ask. The object is to
> weed out the "absolutely clueless" e.g. folks who go to memorize the exam
> and not accomplish anything.
>
> If anyone here happens to be one of those types, I will at least applaud
> you
> for making an effort reading ongoing technical discussions, but otherwise I
> think we can all agree that's a bad thing. These questions are not
> designed
> to trip you up, or otherwise test your grasp of the the nuances of the
> english language.
>
> Any real candidate SHOULD NOT have any difficulty with the questions from
> what I understand of them.
>
> But yes, it's something different. No, it doesn't affect your lab time
> (you
> get points for these, this should be GOOD, EASY points!). No, there's no
> additional studying you have to do. Whether you type it in or say
> something
> (1-3 word answers) shouldn't make any difference?
>
> Yes, there's always the chance that you'll be asked about something you
> would typically have to look up when doing a lab. So yes, you MAY lose one
> of these questions (just thinking raw possibilities here) but if you
> missed
> all five of them because you'd have to look those things up, I would
> venture
> to say you would have an issue with a lab exam as well be looking up too
> much!
>
> Don't stress out about these things. Just concentrate on knowing the
> technologies and you'll be fine!
>
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> James MacDonald
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:17 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> I'm surprised they are announcing a fairly vague change to the lab exam on
> Jan 14th ... and making it effective Feb 1st (just got this in the
> Learning@Cisco news letter) ... seems like short notice regardless of how
> hard the questions will be ... my exam slips in just before that but i sure
> wouldn't want to have the stress of the "unknown" with only 2 weeks out to
> my exam ... i feel bad for those booked at the start of Feb who are
> following a structure they set out months ago and now need to re-group and
> re-read some theory which will take away from their last hours prep on the
> practical.
>
> I'm not impressed with this ... even though it doesn't impact me at this
> time ...
>
> ------------------------------
> Jim MacDonald
> j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
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>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com>
> To: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> Cc: hanan <nouran@skynet.be>; syedraheel@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:00:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a sample
> question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of how
> long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required and
> maybe even how they are scored.
>
> If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25 minutes .
> Will
> they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
>
>
> I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and
> details.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>
> > Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just can't
> > theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router ,
> > you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will divert
> > the
> > attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the
> technology
> > but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
> > technology. What's your say Group ?
> >
> > Ravi
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
> >
> > > Question
> > > Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE blueprints?
> > How
> > > can I prepare (study) for the questions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Answer
> > > The short answer questions cover material already listed on the
> > CCIE
> > > lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered easily
> and
> > > quickly by well-prepared candidates.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Sent: 14 January 2009 10:20
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > > Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it seems
> that
> > > it
> > > will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
> > >
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