From: Piyoush Sharma (piyoush@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2009 - 17:31:21 ARST
At the end of the day, the lab never really is a measure of a person's
technical abilities, just how good the person is with time management and
work under stress with a bit of englis proficiency thrown in for good
measure..
I am curious to see how they would word the questions.. as vague as lab
tasks or straight forward..Only time would tell..
If only that were true... If these exam dumps are what they appear to be..
they might start selling the oral questions.. which would lead Cisco to use
additional means to weed out the unworthy.. kind of sad when things come to
this.. though it would be a bummer if the CCIE were to turn into a more CCDE
type of exam... all questions and no real labbing..
Piyoush.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> Piyoush,
>
> *I wonder though if the WB vendors going to include a select 5 questions
> as
> part of their respective mock labs.*
>
> The Work Books that have detailed explanation of the tasks don't need to
> include anything, but the ones that don't ....well i guess they should do
> something.
> I don't think that this is a big deal, but after all its a *lab and they
> should not have added or mixed questions in there*, and i hope it stops
> there; could you imagine if they keep adding more questions? it will turn
> into a CCDE exam, which is NOT A CCIE but its specially designed for people
> that like more letters after their names.
>
> I think this is one point that we should kinda be concerned about.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> So do you think that the questions points will be incorporated into the
>> lab
>> total score?
>>
>> Will the lab will still be 100 points, but will now have the added
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/14 Piyoush Sharma <piyoush@gmail.com>
>>
>> > I kinda like that Scott!!!
>> > If a candidate spends months and months learning the technology, those
>> > points should be a breeze... even if they carry couple of points.. I
>> know
>> > quite a few who failed with that much margin...
>> > All in all, I agree that its not a big deal and if you prepare right its
>> to
>> > your advantage.
>> >
>> > I wonder though if the WB vendors going to include a select 5 questions
>> as
>> > part of their respective mock labs.. or if they should..
>> > Knowing how tough the wb are... I can oonly guess the questions would
>> test
>> > even more...
>> > Lol.. not let the candidate sit for the mock lab if they cannot answer
>> the
>> > question... a true lab experience (minus the $$$.. or maybe plus)
>> >
>> >
>> > Piyoush
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Scott Morris <
>> > smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Why" would be subjective. I don't think it'll get that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The other thing to look at is that you're getting points for these
>> > things..
>> > > That means that your exam will have LESS points you need to worry
>> about.
>> > > This SHOULD be easy stuff!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: James MacDonald [mailto:j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:41 AM
>> > > To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>> > > Scoring
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > i agree ... just pointing out that it will cause undue stress on
>> people
>> > ...
>> > > i personally think the questions will likely be based on the technical
>> > > tasks
>> > > on the specific exam the candidate gets ... i.e. did you know and
>> > > understand
>> > > "why" you configured something in such a way as opposed to just doing
>> > > something because you were told to based on how the config looks ...
>> just
>> > > my
>> > > 2 cents ... but they should post some actual examples so that people
>> can
>> > > gauge them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > Jim MacDonald
>> > > j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > > From: Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
>> > > To: James MacDonald <j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:26:18 AM
>> > > Subject: RE: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>> > > Scoring
>> > >
>> > > People don't like change. Period. but ya know, this should be viewed
>> as
>> > > simply another part of "Anything is fair game" that we've had the
>> mantra
>> > of
>> > > for years.
>> > >
>> > > If you are going to sit for the CCIE Lab exam, you SHOULD be able to
>> tell
>> > > something about different pieces. Nobody is going to ask you to
>> "explain
>> > > the significance and history of spanning-tree on today's networks".
>> > While
>> > > that's definitely open-ended, it may also take a two hour answer.
>> > >
>> > > However, if I asked you "Please tell me the default OSPF network type
>> on
>> > a
>> > > frame-relay physical interface and what timers are associated with
>> that"
>> > > are
>> > > you telling me that after months/years of studying for the lab exam
>> that
>> > > you
>> > > could not answer that?
>> > >
>> > > And even that may be more complicated than what they ask. The object
>> is
>> > to
>> > > weed out the "absolutely clueless" e.g. folks who go to memorize the
>> exam
>> > > and not accomplish anything.
>> > >
>> > > If anyone here happens to be one of those types, I will at least
>> applaud
>> > > you
>> > > for making an effort reading ongoing technical discussions, but
>> otherwise
>> > I
>> > > think we can all agree that's a bad thing. These questions are not
>> > > designed
>> > > to trip you up, or otherwise test your grasp of the the nuances of the
>> > > english language.
>> > >
>> > > Any real candidate SHOULD NOT have any difficulty with the questions
>> from
>> > > what I understand of them.
>> > >
>> > > But yes, it's something different. No, it doesn't affect your lab
>> time
>> > > (you
>> > > get points for these, this should be GOOD, EASY points!). No, there's
>> no
>> > > additional studying you have to do. Whether you type it in or say
>> > > something
>> > > (1-3 word answers) shouldn't make any difference?
>> > >
>> > > Yes, there's always the chance that you'll be asked about something
>> you
>> > > would typically have to look up when doing a lab. So yes, you MAY
>> lose
>> > one
>> > > of these questions (just thinking raw possibilities here) but if you
>> > > missed
>> > > all five of them because you'd have to look those things up, I would
>> > > venture
>> > > to say you would have an issue with a lab exam as well be looking up
>> too
>> > > much!
>> > >
>> > > Don't stress out about these things. Just concentrate on knowing the
>> > > technologies and you'll be fine!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
>> > > Senior CCIE Instructor
>> > >
>> > > smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> > >
>> > > Knowledge is power.
>> > > Power corrupts.
>> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > > James MacDonald
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:17 AM
>> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>> > > Scoring
>> > >
>> > > I'm surprised they are announcing a fairly vague change to the lab
>> exam
>> > on
>> > > Jan 14th ... and making it effective Feb 1st (just got this in the
>> > > Learning@Cisco news letter) ... seems like short notice regardless of
>> > how
>> > > hard the questions will be ... my exam slips in just before that but i
>> > sure
>> > > wouldn't want to have the stress of the "unknown" with only 2 weeks
>> out
>> > to
>> > > my exam ... i feel bad for those booked at the start of Feb who are
>> > > following a structure they set out months ago and now need to re-group
>> > and
>> > > re-read some theory which will take away from their last hours prep on
>> > the
>> > > practical.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not impressed with this ... even though it doesn't impact me at
>> this
>> > > time ...
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > Jim MacDonald
>> > > j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com>
>> > > To: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>> > > Cc: hanan <nouran@skynet.be>; syedraheel@gmail.com;
>> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:00:10 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
>> > > Scoring
>> > >
>> > > Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a
>> sample
>> > > question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of
>> how
>> > > long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required
>> and
>> > > maybe even how they are scored.
>> > >
>> > > If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25 minutes
>> .
>> > > Will
>> > > they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and
>> > > details.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just
>> can't
>> > > > theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router
>> ,
>> > > > you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will
>> > divert
>> > > > the
>> > > > attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the
>> > > technology
>> > > > but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
>> > > > technology. What's your say Group ?
>> > > >
>> > > > Ravi
>> > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Question
>> > > > > Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE
>> > blueprints?
>> > > > How
>> > > > > can I prepare (study) for the questions?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Answer
>> > > > > The short answer questions cover material already listed on
>> > the
>> > > > CCIE
>> > > > > lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered
>> easily
>> > > and
>> > > > > quickly by well-prepared candidates.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > > Of
>> > > > > syedraheel@gmail.com
>> > > > > Sent: 14 January 2009 10:20
>> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
>> and
>> > > > > Scoring
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it
>> seems
>> > > that
>> > > > > it
>> > > > > will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
>> > > > >
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