From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 25 2008 - 04:23:13 ARST
Pavel,
totalllllllyyyyyy agreeee with U
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I meant by the statement that "Hub is not tested in CCIE" was that
> CCIE
> certification does not always mean that a person is truly an expert, as you
> have found out for yourself.
> On the other hand, I know true experts who design very complex networks and
> don't even have a CCNA. They don't have any certification, they just don't
> want any.
> Also, the most highly paid network professional I know does not have a
> certification (the actual technical architect, not the
> boss/director/management)
>
> And that is why you are conducting an interview, is it not? You want to
> find
> out if he has a knowledge you would expect from an expert holding CCIE,
> because you don't want to assume anything.
>
> P.S.: Was he a real numbered CCIE, or was he, as Narbik put it, "a CCIEW"
> (a person who passed CCIE written)? Did you check him in CCIE verification
> tool? Maybe he was pretending to be someone else...
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Nki <nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks mate....i am still just surprised at the group members that still
> > try
> > to excuse this lack of knowledge... Hub is not tested in CCIE blah blah
> > blah
> > blah.... yes true only because Cisco expect you to know the difference
> > before
> > you even get to the CCIE level.
> > B
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, support@ccie.com.au <support@ccie.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > From: support@ccie.com.au <support@ccie.com.au>
> > Subject: RE: Re: CCIE True Interview Story
> > To: muhammad.nasim@gmail.com, redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> > Cc: mzsaeed@gmail.com, cisco_godfather@hotmail.com,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 3:46 AM
> >
> > very simple... If a CCIE does not know the difference between a hub and a
> > switch then he is a by-product of bootcamps or cheating. A real IE will
> > have an expert level KNOWLEDGE of L2 technology (specially R&S), a real
> > IE has studied of DOCCD and all sorts of different sources of books that
> > explain the fundamentals of networking technologies. A real IE has
> > several years of hands on experience and has put in countless hours of
> > research and study.Simply put... there are fake CCIE's and real CCIE's
> > out there and its easy as a few fundamental level questions to spot out
> > the fakes. END OF INTERVIEW.!
> >
> > Steve K
> >
> > CCIE 22131
> >
> > ------- Original Message ------- On 11/25/2008 03:20 AM Muhammad Nasim
> > wrote:
> > Agree WHY THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SAVE CCIE IF HE D OES NOT KNOW THE
> > ANSWERS.
> >
> > OK OK I agree to some extent that these are not 100% CCIE QUESTIONS but
> > to
> > be honest WHY THE HELL CCIE ARE EXPECTING 8 OR 10 K IF THEY CAN NOT
> > ANSWERS
> > WHICH WORTH LESS THEN 1000$ SALARY per month.
> >
> > I am very very sorry to say after hearing the guys that these are not
> > CCIE
> > questions.
> >
> > The market is awful and people are supporting it it DOUBLE AWFUL
> >
> > HAPPY GETTING NUMBERS AND CLAIMING 10$K or more as you now know CCIE
> > ANSWERS
> > (WHAT A TOUGH LUCK)
> >
> > 2008/11/25 Jonny English
> >
> > > I think its all the fish they eat in China. Good for the brain mate,
> > that's
> > > why Chinese people are so smart and good at Math.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Mohammad Zahid Saeed <
> > > mzsaeedVING@gmail.com >wrote:
> > >
> > > > As far as question is concerned, it sounds very strange to me if some
> > one
> > > > has CCIE and he doesn't understand the difference between hub and
> > switch?
> > > > How you can recommend something if you don't have the answer WHY?
> > And
> > if
> > > > some one says HUB, I know I am supporting network in Canada with
> > D-Link
> > > hubs
> > > > :):):) And I am not recommending them replacing because I am scared
> > they
> > > > will ask me WHY? :)
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, I heard and I can be wrong, in Beijing every week 20 people
> > > pass
> > > > CCIE, and in RTP 4-5, now I can be wrong, but whats special in
> > Beijing?
> > > (No
> > > > offence to any one no matter if you are US or from China, we are all
> > > humans
> > > > at the first point)
> > > >
> > > > And I am surpirised some time to see people, who say "I started
> > in
> > Jan 07
> > > > and passed in Sept 07" When I know people who spent 5 years, now
> > either
> > > they
> > > > are too "Sharp" or others are too &qu ot;dumb"
> > :):):) No offence
> > again
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Mohammad Z Saeed
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > From: "Cisco Godfather"
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:50 PM
> > > > To: ;
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE True Interview Story
> > > >
> > > > Hey Mr. Huzefa,
> > > >>
> > > >> What makes you think that people in Middle East, India and China
> > are
> > > >> Booming with CCIEs without any real-life experience??
> > > >>
> > > >> You need to stop watching FOX News dood!
> > > >>
> > > >> You have to be carefull about what you say here, and respect
> > others
> > who
> > > >> might be the reason behinde your success one day!!!
> > > >>
> > > >> Wonder if all Americans, British, Canadaians and Austrailan born
> > with a
> > > >> router or switch in his hand!!!
> > > >>
> > > >> silly comment!! infact disrespectfull one!
> > > >>
> > > >> Cisco_Godfather
> > > >>
> > > >>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:17:31 +0300> From:
> > > ratlamwala.huzefa@gmail.com>
> > > >>> To: nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: CCIE True Interview
> > Story>
> > CC:
> > > >>> ccielab@groupstudy.com> > I feel the same pain, people
> > in Middle
> > East,
> > > >>> India and China are booming> with CCIEs without any
> > real-life
> > > experience.> >
> > > >>> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Nki wrote:>
> > > >
> > > >>> > I interviewed this CCIE from Saudi. He just became one
> > this
> > september
> > > and>
> > > >>> > his> > name is Ali. From basic switching and
> > routing questions,
> > he
> > > did
> > > >>> very poo rly> > in> > his answers.The one that
> > really stumped I and
> > my
> > > >>> manager was the following> > question.Q. Ali you have
> > been assigned
> > a
> > > ticket
> > > >>> to install a Cisco router> > for> > Internet
> > connection. The
> > customer
> > > site
> > > >>> have 10 users, with a 24 port hub> > installed.The
> > network is
> > operating
> > > well
> > > >>> with no errors. After you complete> > your WAN router
> > install, what
> > > >>> recommendation can you make to the customer> >
> > concerning their
> > HUB.A.
> > > I
> > > >>> will ask them to rplace it with !
> > > >>>
> > > >> a switchQ. Ali> > what> > is your reason for this
> > recommendation.Ali
> > > could
> > > >> not come up with one. Here> > I> > am a dual CCIE
> > sitting with my
> > boss,
> > > I
> > > >> felt my number shrink in> > embarassment.B What is going on
> > here,
> > are
> > > guys
> > > >> out there buying their CCIE?> > If> > they are at
> > least read the
> > study
> > > >> guides.B B> >> >> > Blogs and organic groups at
> > http://www.ccie.net>
> > >>
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