From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 23:28:32 ARST
That would be more of a legal problem... Cisco isn't generally very happy
with fraudulant use of their logos! And if they had the CCIE logo, but not
passed the CCIE that would be pretty blatant!
_____
From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:58 AM
To: Richard L. Pickard
Cc: Scott Morris; Gary Duncanson; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
I think if they mention in their resume that they are pursuing CCIE and in
the process they have completed the written portion of the cert, it will
look different than when they say they are CCIE written, i saw a business
card with "CCIE W" and the logo on it, and i thought he was CCIE Wireless,
when i checked Cisco's site, i did not see CCIE Wireless, so when i asked
him, he mentioned that he just passed the written.
It was funny.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Richard L. Pickard
<nettable_walker@hotmail.com> wrote:
what you say is 100% correct. I have been looking over resume's & doing
telephone screens for a high level position here at work. out of 25 "CCIE
resume's" my boss gave me only 2 were actual CCIE's.
The other 23 were had either passed the written or been to a "CCIE class"
[whatever that is]. One guy even said he was a double CCIE -- turns out he
passed the R/S written [1999] & the voice written [2007].
I explained it to my boss this way --- ''I completed the CCVP in March &
passed the CCIE voice written @ Networkers but I would not know a Call
Manager if it hit me in the ----".
ppl take a lot of liberties when it come to the certs they have.
R
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From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:57 AM
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'"
<narbikk@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Really? So if I go take the GRE exam, can I pass it off as Master's Degree
- written?
Yes, it's a great learning opportunity, but HOW it's portrayed can make a
huge difference. Not all people who do this are inherently bad, but it's
still not a certification! :)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:10 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
I agree. Anyone dumping the written is passing up an important learning
opportunity. Passing it without tk and other rubbish requires a lot of
effort on the part of the candidate.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
To: "Scott M Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
Cc: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>; <armylegionmedic@aol.com>;
<joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
I give the written
its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
required to pass it legitimately
THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
written its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and
dedication required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases
of preparing to do just that for recertification purposes as we
speak. So back to my studies.
From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
"ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're
hiding
behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out
there
who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you for
an
interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know the
difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want to
tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
non-existent title.
Scott
"Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature
block
until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think
you
have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled
to
attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE
Written
is just ignorance at it's best.
Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to
hear
is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to
agree
with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have
at
least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have
no
desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have
passed
the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve more
and greater in their career.
Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I
had
a
number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job
candidate,
no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying
to
pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and
I
had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He
called
me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
"CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person
might
be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on
that
basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too
capable
and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts as
to
what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
For whatever that's worth.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
joshua atterbury
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written
CCIE"
ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> ??
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English
> <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > what?
> >
> > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
or the
lab
> > ..
> > >
> > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, > > >
2009).
> would
> > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
> > >
> > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
> > >
> > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/>
> > >
> > >
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