Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)

From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 13:27:06 ARST

Mark: any ways
  I wanted to ask about the switching part
10:45 PM unfortunately I do not have equipment available to me
  would you please suggest a solution

 10:57 PM me: You download a work book that you should NOT, knowingly that
it is an illegal copy, and you want me to help you????
Mark i don't have the entire conversation but what you displayed was when i
stopped responding. Let's not talk about this or else my broken A.. can take
legal action.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Gary Duncanson <
garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Certainly not.
>
> Im not saying it is a certification Scott. It isn't in itself and people
> shouldn't pass it off as such when they mention they have completed it on a
> resume.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; "'Narbik
> Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:57 PM
>
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
> Really? So if I go take the GRE exam, can I pass it off as Master's Degree
>> - written?
>>
>> Yes, it's a great learning opportunity, but HOW it's portrayed can make a
>> huge difference. Not all people who do this are inherently bad, but it's
>> still not a certification! :)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gary
>> Duncanson
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:10 AM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>> I agree. Anyone dumping the written is passing up an important learning
>> opportunity. Passing it without tk and other rubbish requires a lot of
>> effort on the part of the candidate.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>> To: "Scott M Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>> Cc: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>; <armylegionmedic@aol.com>;
>> <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>>
>> I give the written
>>> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
>>> required to pass it legitimately
>>>
>>> THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
>>> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
>>>> written its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and
>>>> dedication required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases
>>>> of preparing to do just that for recertification purposes as we
>>>> speak. So back to my studies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
>>>> To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
>>>> Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>>>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
>>>> "ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
>>>> ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
>>>> practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
>>>> description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
>>>> people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
>>>> practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're
>>>> hiding
>>>> behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
>>>> whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out
>>>> there
>>>> who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you
>>>> for
>>>> an
>>>> interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
>>>> Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
>>>> service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
>>>> people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know
>>>> the
>>>> difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want
>>>> to
>>>> tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
>>>> non-existent title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> "Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature
>>>> block
>>>> until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
>>>> To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
>>>> Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think
>>>> you
>>>> have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled
>>>> to
>>>> attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE
>>>> Written
>>>> is just ignorance at it's best.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
>>>> accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
>>>> someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to
>>>> hear
>>>> is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to
>>>> agree
>>>> with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have
>>>> at
>>>> least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
>>>> towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have
>>>> no
>>>> desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have
>>>> passed
>>>> the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve
>>>> more
>>>> and greater in their career.
>>>>
>>>> Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>>>> To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
>>>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
>>>> included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I
>>>> had
>>>> a
>>>> number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
>>>> deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job
>>>> candidate,
>>>> no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying
>>>> to
>>>> pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
>>>> definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and
>>>> I
>>>> had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He
>>>> called
>>>> me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
>>>> "CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
>>>> level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person
>>>> might
>>>> be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on
>>>> that
>>>> basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too
>>>> capable
>>>> and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts
>>>> as
>>>> to
>>>> what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
>>>>
>>>> For whatever that's worth.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> joshua atterbury
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>> Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
>>>> Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written
>>>> CCIE"
>>>> ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>>> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > ??
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English
>>>> > <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
>>>> > >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > what?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Dear All,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
>>>> or the
>>>> lab
>>>> > > ..
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, > > >
>>>> 2009).
>>>> > would
>>>> > > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Mark
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
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>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
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>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Thank You,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>>
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