From: Farhan Anwar (farhan.anwar@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 12:23:33 ARST
So what's everybody thinking? moving to UAE? c'mon guys we can start our own
company :)
Well one thing i forgot to clear up, salaries also depend on nationalities,
so you can get more than what i am getting here easily.
On 11/23/08, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> get your CCIE mate. You will go over 100k easy.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM, John Hooper <homith@homith.com> wrote:
>
> > Geeezz I could only dream about making that sort of cash. Here in
> > Australia I'm allot less then 100K and with that end up paying 20K in
> tax.
> > One day I hope things will change.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farhan Anwar" <
> farhan.anwar@gmail.com>
> > To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Muhammad Nasim" <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification" <
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com>; "Marko Milivojevic" <markom@markom.info>; "Gary
> > Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; <sheherezada@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:18 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> >
> >
> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only reason
> i
> >> was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make more
> >> than
> >> 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving to
> US
> >> even after the recession is over and the market stability is regained,
> is
> >> that a good move or not.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
> >>> growth.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If this is the case I am satisfied : )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
> circumstances,
> >>>
> >>>> and
> >>>> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi All,
> >>>> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned
> being
> >>>> > a
> >>>> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some >
> >>>> companies
> >>>> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic slowdown.
> But
> >>>> the
> >>>> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
> specially
> >>>> > in
> >>>> oil
> >>>> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment, leasure
> and
> >>>> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like bmw's
> >
> >>>> and
> >>>> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5
> USD
> >>>> > a
> >>>> > gallon.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you interact
> >
> >>>> are
> >>>> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
> >>>> technical
> >>>> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the hell
> you
> >>>> are
> >>>> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would also
> >>>> answer
> >>>> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let me >
> >>>> share
> >>>> > with you the problems.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time
> free
> >>>> > to
> >>>> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
> traffic-jams.
> >>>> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most of
> >
> >>>> the
> >>>> > time.
> >>>> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
> budgets
> >>>> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an average
> >>>> company
> >>>> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100, even
> >
> >>>> if
> >>>> they
> >>>> > dont haveany requirements for it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get
> stuck.
> >>>> In
> >>>> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as its
> >
> >>>> not
> >>>> given
> >>>> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may be
> 10
> >>>> hours
> >>>> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime being
> >>>> spent with
> >>>> > the family.
> >>>> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the >
> >>>> company
> >>>> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to some
> >>>> other
> >>>> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation that >
> >>>> takes
> >>>> 50% of
> >>>> > your salary in advance for the full year.
> >>>> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat is
> >>>> buying
> >>>> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
> >>>> saturation
> >>>> > issues.
> >>>> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving
> the
> >>>> same
> >>>> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
> >>>> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated by a
> >>>> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k and
> >
> >>>> 1M,
> >>>> at the
> >>>> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited upload
> of
> >>>> 128k.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
> >>>> personal
> >>>> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill
> some
> >>>> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic >> <
> >>>> markom@markom.info
> >>>> >> >wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a hiring
> >>>> pause
> >>>> >> now?
> >>>> >> > :-)
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
> >>>> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> > > Dubai rocks.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > Regards
> >>>> >> > > Gary
> >>>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>>> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
> >>>> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
> Dubai,
> >>>> >> > >> as
> >>>> I
> >>>> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
> >>>> >> > >>
> >>>> >> > >> Mihai
> >>>> >> > >>
> >>>> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
> >>>> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile
> exec
> >>>> make
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any >>
> >
> >>>> >>> living
> >>>> >> > there).
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On
> >>>> >> Behalf
> >>>> >> > Of
> >>>> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
> >>>> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
> >>>> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
> >>>> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus;
> Larry
> >>>> >> > Letterman
> >>>> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
> >>>> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move
> to
> >>>> >> Dubai,
> >>>> >> > >>> the
> >>>> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes cities
> >>>> >> > >>> in
> >>>> New
> >>>> >> > York
> >>>> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
> >>>> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>> >> > >>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> Hi,
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
> >>>> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful
> >>>> place
> >>>> >> on
> >>>> >> > >>>> earth
> >>>> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
> robberies.
> >>>> >> > >>>> I
> >>>> >> feel
> >>>> >> > >>>> safer
> >>>> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is
> my
> >>>> >> personal
> >>>> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>> Felix
> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> > >>>>
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> >>>> >> > >>>>
> >>>> >> >
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> >> CCIE #19871
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