From: Gary Duncanson (garyduncanson@btinternet.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 11:10:26 ARST
I agree. Anyone dumping the written is passing up an important learning
opportunity. Passing it without tk and other rubbish requires a lot of
effort on the part of the candidate.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
To: "Scott M Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
Cc: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>; <armylegionmedic@aol.com>;
<joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>I give the written
> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
> required to pass it legitimately
>
> THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
>> And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
>> written
>> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
>> required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases of preparing
>> to
>> do just that for recertification purposes as we speak. So back to my
>> studies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
>> To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
>> Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
>> "ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
>> ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
>> practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
>> description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
>> people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
>> practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're
>> hiding
>> behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
>> whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out
>> there
>> who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you for
>> an
>> interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
>> Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
>> service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
>> people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know the
>> difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want to
>> tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
>> non-existent title.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> "Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature
>> block
>> until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
>> To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
>> Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>>
>>
>> Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think
>> you
>> have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled
>> to
>> attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE
>> Written
>> is just ignorance at it's best.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
>> accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
>> someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to
>> hear
>> is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to
>> agree
>> with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have
>> at
>> least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
>> towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have
>> no
>> desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have
>> passed
>> the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve more
>> and greater in their career.
>>
>> Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>> To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>>
>>
>> Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
>> included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I
>> had
>> a
>> number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
>> deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job
>> candidate,
>> no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying
>> to
>> pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
>> definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and
>> I
>> had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He
>> called
>> me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
>> "CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
>> level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person
>> might
>> be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on
>> that
>> basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too
>> capable
>> and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts as
>> to
>> what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
>>
>> For whatever that's worth.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> joshua atterbury
>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>
>> Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
>> Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written
>> CCIE"
>> ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > ??
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English
>> > <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > what?
>> > >
>> > > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Dear All,
>> > > >
>> > > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
>> or the
>> lab
>> > > ..
>> > > >
>> > > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, 2009).
>> > would
>> > > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
>> > > >
>> > > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
>> > > >
>> > > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
>> > > >
>> > > > Mark
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> > > >
>> > > >
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Thank You,
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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> www.MicronicsTraining
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