From: Osamah Shaheen (ShaheenO@maaden.com.sa)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 08:16:50 ARST
I think yes it is about 22-25k/month even in Saudi Arabia... I didn't
got more than this till now......
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Mithun Bhat
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:11 PM
To: John Hooper
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
I hope you know all my numbers were in AED ( 1 USD = 3.67 AED)
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM, John Hooper <homith@homith.com> wrote:
> Geeezz I could only dream about making that sort of cash. Here in
> Australia I'm allot less then 100K and with that end up paying 20K in
tax.
> One day I hope things will change.
>
> Cheers
>
> John
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farhan Anwar"
<farhan.anwar@gmail.com>
> To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Muhammad Nasim" <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
<
> ccielab@groupstudy.com>; "Marko Milivojevic" <markom@markom.info>;
"Gary
> Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; <sheherezada@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:18 AM
>
> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>
>
> Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only
reason i
>> was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make
more
>> than
>> 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving
to US
>> even after the recession is over and the market stability is
regained, is
>> that a good move or not.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim
<muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
>>> growth.
>>>
>>>
>>> If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
circumstances,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar
<farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi All,
>>>> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned
being
>>>> > a
>>>> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some >
>>>> companies
>>>> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic
slowdown. But
>>>> the
>>>> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
specially
>>>> > in
>>>> oil
>>>> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>>>> >
>>>> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment,
leasure and
>>>> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like
bmw's >
>>>> and
>>>> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5
USD
>>>> > a
>>>> > gallon.
>>>> >
>>>> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
interact >
>>>> are
>>>> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
>>>> technical
>>>> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the
hell you
>>>> are
>>>> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would
also
>>>> answer
>>>> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let
me >
>>>> share
>>>> > with you the problems.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time
free
>>>> > to
>>>> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
traffic-jams.
>>>> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most
of >
>>>> the
>>>> > time.
>>>> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
budgets
>>>> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
average
>>>> company
>>>> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100,
even >
>>>> if
>>>> they
>>>> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get
stuck.
>>>> In
>>>> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as
its >
>>>> not
>>>> given
>>>> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may
be 10
>>>> hours
>>>> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime
being
>>>> spent with
>>>> > the family.
>>>> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the
>
>>>> company
>>>> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to
some
>>>> other
>>>> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation
that >
>>>> takes
>>>> 50% of
>>>> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>>>> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat
is
>>>> buying
>>>> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
>>>> saturation
>>>> > issues.
>>>> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving
the
>>>> same
>>>> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>>>> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated
by a
>>>> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k
and >
>>>> 1M,
>>>> at the
>>>> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited
upload of
>>>> 128k.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
>>>> personal
>>>> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill
some
>>>> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic >> <
>>>> markom@markom.info
>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a
hiring
>>>> pause
>>>> >> now?
>>>> >> > :-)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>>>> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Regards
>>>> >> > > Gary
>>>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
Dubai,
>>>> >> > >> as
>>>> I
>>>> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Mihai
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>>>> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile
exec
>>>> make
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any
>> >
>>>> >>> living
>>>> >> > there).
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
On
>>>> >> Behalf
>>>> >> > Of
>>>> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>>>> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>>>> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>>>> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus;
Larry
>>>> >> > Letterman
>>>> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>>>> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to
move to
>>>> >> Dubai,
>>>> >> > >>> the
>>>> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes
cities
>>>> >> > >>> in
>>>> New
>>>> >> > York
>>>> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>>>> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>>> Hi,
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>>>> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most
peaceful
>>>> place
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> > >>>> earth
>>>> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
robberies.
>>>> >> > >>>> I
>>>> >> feel
>>>> >> > >>>> safer
>>>> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this
is my
>>>> >> personal
>>>> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> Felix
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> >
>>>>
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