From: Farrukh Haroon (farrukhharoon@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 06:35:37 ARST
So it means your getting your information from the wrong sources then :)
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as i know the salary for a normal network engineer CCNP level is 16k
> AED in dubai / UAE.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> let say X person is getting 108,000 US& per year that would be 9 thousand
>> US $ per month
>>
>> 1 USD = 3.6710
>>
>> 9,000 $ = 33,039 aed
>>
>> This 33 or 34 is a very very good figure . I should say exceptional now a
>> days as the CCIE numbers are growing.
>>
>> 21K and 22 K (AED) is an average salary per month. Which is also difficult
>> to find.
>>
>>
>> Based on the number of years the salry can be 50K AED BUT it is true for
>> more then 10, Years of expereicen
>>
>>
>> I hope cleared it out ; 0
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/23 Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com>
>>
>> wait, if i understand correctly, you're saying that a CCIE in the UAE
>>> gets 21k AED (dubai currency) a month?
>>> That can't be right. I have heard that CCIE's get double that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agree
>>>>
>>>> 2008/11/23 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> > If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE
>>>> > market.
>>>> >
>>>> > The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its more
>>>> in
>>>> > the 60/70K range.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Farrukh
>>>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <
>>>> darklordrouter@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up with
>>>> a job
>>>> >> :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only
>>>> reason
>>>> >> i
>>>> >> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make
>>>> more
>>>> >> > than
>>>> >> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above.
>>>> Moving to
>>>> >> US
>>>> >> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is
>>>> regained,
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> > that a good move or not.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>>> >> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>>>> >> > >wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck
>>>> w.r.t
>>>> >> > growth.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
>>>> >> circumstances,
>>>> >> > >> and
>>>> >> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>> >> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>> >> > >> >wrote:
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > Hi All,
>>>> >> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are
>>>> concerned
>>>> >> being
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some
>>>> >> > companies
>>>> >> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic
>>>> slowdown.
>>>> >> But
>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
>>>> >> specially
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > >> oil
>>>> >> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment,
>>>> leasure
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like
>>>> >> bmw's
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost
>>>> 2.5
>>>> >> USD
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > >> > gallon.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
>>>> >> interact
>>>> >> > are
>>>> >> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with
>>>> extremely
>>>> >> > >> technical
>>>> >> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the
>>>> hell
>>>> >> you
>>>> >> > >> are
>>>> >> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would
>>>> also
>>>> >> > >> answer
>>>> >> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market,
>>>> let me
>>>> >> > share
>>>> >> > >> > with you the problems.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any
>>>> time
>>>> >> free
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
>>>> >> traffic-jams.
>>>> >> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated
>>>> most
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> > time.
>>>> >> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
>>>> >> budgets
>>>> >> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
>>>> >> average
>>>> >> > >> company
>>>> >> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg
>>>> 8100,
>>>> >> even
>>>> >> > if
>>>> >> > >> they
>>>> >> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to
>>>> get
>>>> >> stuck.
>>>> >> > >> In
>>>> >> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted
>>>> as its
>>>> >> > not
>>>> >> > >> given
>>>> >> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours,
>>>> may be
>>>> >> 10
>>>> >> > >> hours
>>>> >> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime
>>>> being
>>>> >> > >> spent with
>>>> >> > >> > the family.
>>>> >> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance
>>>> the
>>>> >> > company
>>>> >> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to
>>>> some
>>>> >> > >> other
>>>> >> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation
>>>> that
>>>> >> > takes
>>>> >> > >> 50% of
>>>> >> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>>>> >> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every
>>>> expat is
>>>> >> > >> buying
>>>> >> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking
>>>> and
>>>> >> > >> saturation
>>>> >> > >> > issues.
>>>> >> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up
>>>> saving
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > >> same
>>>> >> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>>>> >> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly
>>>> dominated by
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k,
>>>> 512k
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> > 1M,
>>>> >> > >> at the
>>>> >> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited
>>>> upload
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> > >> 128k.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally
>>>> my
>>>> >> > >> personal
>>>> >> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't
>>>> fill
>>>> >> some
>>>> >> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>> >> > markom@markom.info
>>>> >> > >> >> >wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a
>>>> hiring
>>>> >> > >> pause
>>>> >> > >> >> now?
>>>> >> > >> >> > :-)
>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>>>> >> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Regards
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Gary
>>>> >> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <
>>>> sheherezada@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>> >> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
>>>> >> Dubai,
>>>> >> > as
>>>> >> > >> I
>>>> >> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Mihai
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>>>> >> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high
>>>> profile
>>>> >> exec
>>>> >> > >> make
>>>> >> > >> >> a
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of
>>>> any
>>>> >> > living
>>>> >> > >> >> > there).
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:
>>>> nobody@groupstudy.com]
>>>> >> On
>>>> >> > >> >> Behalf
>>>> >> > >> >> > Of
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator;
>>>> Cyrus;
>>>> >> Larry
>>>> >> > >> >> > Letterman
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>>>> >> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to
>>>> move
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > >> >> Dubai,
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> the
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes
>>>> >> cities
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > >> New
>>>> >> > >> >> > York
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most
>>>> peaceful
>>>> >> > >> place
>>>> >> > >> >> on
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> earth
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
>>>> >> robberies.
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > >> >> feel
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> safer
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but
>>>> this is
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> > >> >> personal
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > --
>>>> >> > >> > Farhan.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
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>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > --
>>>> >> > > Muhammad Nasim
>>>> >> > > Network Engineer
>>>> >> > > Saudi Arabia
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
>>>> >> > CCIE #19871
>>>> >> > Senior Network Consultant
>>>> >> > www.farhananwar.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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>>>>
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>> Network Engineer
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