From: Farrukh Haroon (farrukhharoon@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 04:30:34 ARST
The problem is that your office guys don't trust you with the voice stuff
(because you don't know it) :).
However if you overcome the lazeiness and do the second ccie (Voice) and
gain the necessary knowledge...... that image *might* change......hehe
Regards
Farrukh
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Muhammad Nasim
<muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
> One thing is really bugging me these days is to decide what should I do
> after doing CCIE SEC (Alhumdulilah)
>
> I am seeing guys are rushing for 2nd CCIE like most of them are going for
> CCIE voice.
>
> Mentally and from my heart if one is not doing Voice in his daily office
> work. What is the worth of passing the exams with out having hands on of
> the Technology.
>
> I know that one can do hands on remote racks and on virtual racks BUT if
> someone is not doing the work practically what would be the worth for it.
>
> Should i assume that there is really really NOT worth of Practical hands on
> (or there are very few places where HANDS ON COUNTS) just what you need to
> is to get the certs and that's it and your salary will be increased and you
> will get more benefits this and that.
>
> To be honest I myself can not say that I am an expert in Security becasue
> it
> is a DEEP ocean. Even I can not make myself ready for CISSP because I think
> that I am doing CISSP KIND OF JOB.
>
> It is really frustrating to see that people are going and jumping for other
> CCIE tracks even they did not justify with first track (both technology,
> theory and product wise)
>
> I am sorry for the OT but it is really bugging me.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 2008/11/19 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>
> > All,
> >
> > I've seen a lot of demand for the CISSP.
> >
> > It's not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and does
> > require a little time to study for it.
> >
> > It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater
> > salaries than a CCIE.
> >
> > But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of
> > either
> > a PIX/ASA nor Cisco.
> >
> > It's a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC.
> >
> > If you want to work in a Security capacity it's kind of assumed to be
> > there.
> >
> > So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe $4500-5000.00
> > for a class.
> >
> > Cheaper than a CCIE for sure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Good conversation. I've seen it as a DoD contract requirement before.
> I'd
> > > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit, there
> > was
> > > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action
> > packed
> > > like working on cisco gear!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
> > > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center
> security?
> > > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn't go into deep detail I still
> > > learned
> > > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific
> > hands
> > > on
> > > > exam.
> > > >
> > > > "But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
> > the
> > > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
> so
> > > what
> > > > does that tell you???"
> > > >
> > > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM
> > > > >To: "'Diment, Andrew'" <Andrew.Diment@qwest.com>, 'darth router' <
> > > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, 'Cisco certification' <
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >Right, I agree "knowledge is never useless"
> > > > >
> > > > >There is better security knowledge for today's re-aligned world in
> the
> > > > >CCNA-SEC
> > > > >
> > > > >I wouldn't even say the CISSP is an inch deep... it's about a
> > millimeter
> > > > >deep, that's why I think its worthless. The CCIE written's are an
> inch
> > > > deep.
> > > > >
> > > > >But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
> > the
> > > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
> > so
> > > > what
> > > > >does that tell you???
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >Diment, Andrew
> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM
> > > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless. Does
> it
> > > > >teach you to configure a firewall...no, but neither does a college
> > > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never
> > > > >useless.
> > > > >
> > > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of all
> > > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it
> > might
> > > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and
> > passed
> > > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your resume
> > to
> > > > >the "interview" pile is very useful.
> > > > >
> > > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company. I
> > got
> > > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were "you have a CCIE and a
> > > > >CISSP, I'm going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring
> > > > >manager". I had an interview 24 hours later.
> > > > >
> > > > >Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >Joseph Brunner
> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM
> > > > >To: 'darth router'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >OT is right.. search the archives...
> > > > >
> > > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever...
> > > > >
> > > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not
> tell
> > us
> > > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a voice
> > over
> > > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip
> network.
> > > > >Get it?
> > > > >
> > > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for
> > theories
> > > > >any more... they are running their budgets on empty until at least
> > 2011.
> > > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >darth router
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM
> > > > >To: Cisco certification
> > > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >Anyone have it? Does it bring any real value to your career?
> > > > >
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