Re: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?

From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 05:21:56 ARST

heheh I am not interested in Voice after hearing that those people who don't
even R/S well and R/S CCIE are going for it this make me more frustrate.

BTW i am not doing any voice and neither have any near future plans : ) .

But it seems to me that I have to decide it soon becasue the region I am in
most the people count certs not skills : )
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2008/11/19 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>

> The problem is that your office guys don't trust you with the voice stuff
> (because you don't know it) :).
>
> However if you overcome the lazeiness and do the second ccie (Voice) and
> gain the necessary knowledge...... that image *might* change......hehe
>
> Regards
>
> Farrukh
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> One thing is really bugging me these days is to decide what should I do
>> after doing CCIE SEC (Alhumdulilah)
>>
>> I am seeing guys are rushing for 2nd CCIE like most of them are going for
>> CCIE voice.
>>
>> Mentally and from my heart if one is not doing Voice in his daily office
>> work. What is the worth of passing the exams with out having hands on of
>> the Technology.
>>
>> I know that one can do hands on remote racks and on virtual racks BUT if
>> someone is not doing the work practically what would be the worth for it.
>>
>> Should i assume that there is really really NOT worth of Practical hands
>> on
>> (or there are very few places where HANDS ON COUNTS) just what you need
>> to
>> is to get the certs and that's it and your salary will be increased and
>> you
>> will get more benefits this and that.
>>
>> To be honest I myself can not say that I am an expert in Security becasue
>> it
>> is a DEEP ocean. Even I can not make myself ready for CISSP because I
>> think
>> that I am doing CISSP KIND OF JOB.
>>
>> It is really frustrating to see that people are going and jumping for
>> other
>> CCIE tracks even they did not justify with first track (both technology,
>> theory and product wise)
>>
>> I am sorry for the OT but it is really bugging me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/19 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>
>> > All,
>> >
>> > I've seen a lot of demand for the CISSP.
>> >
>> > It's not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and does
>> > require a little time to study for it.
>> >
>> > It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater
>> > salaries than a CCIE.
>> >
>> > But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of
>> > either
>> > a PIX/ASA nor Cisco.
>> >
>> > It's a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC.
>> >
>> > If you want to work in a Security capacity it's kind of assumed to be
>> > there.
>> >
>> > So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe
>> $4500-5000.00
>> > for a class.
>> >
>> > Cheaper than a CCIE for sure.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Good conversation. I've seen it as a DoD contract requirement before.
>> I'd
>> > > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit, there
>> > was
>> > > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action
>> > packed
>> > > like working on cisco gear!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
>> > > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center
>> security?
>> > > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn't go into deep detail I still
>> > > learned
>> > > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific
>> > hands
>> > > on
>> > > > exam.
>> > > >
>> > > > "But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
>> > the
>> > > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
>> so
>> > > what
>> > > > does that tell you???"
>> > > >
>> > > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about.
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> > > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM
>> > > > >To: "'Diment, Andrew'" <Andrew.Diment@qwest.com>, 'darth router' <
>> > > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, 'Cisco certification' <
>> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > >
>> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Right, I agree "knowledge is never useless"
>> > > > >
>> > > > >There is better security knowledge for today's re-aligned world in
>> the
>> > > > >CCNA-SEC
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I wouldn't even say the CISSP is an inch deep... it's about a
>> > millimeter
>> > > > >deep, that's why I think its worthless. The CCIE written's are an
>> inch
>> > > > deep.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
>> > the
>> > > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a
>> pix...
>> > so
>> > > > what
>> > > > >does that tell you???
>> > > > >
>> > > > >-Joe
>> > > > >
>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > >Diment, Andrew
>> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM
>> > > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification
>> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I don't agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless. Does
>> it
>> > > > >teach you to configure a firewall...no, but neither does a college
>> > > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never
>> > > > >useless.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of all
>> > > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it
>> > might
>> > > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and
>> > passed
>> > > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your
>> resume
>> > to
>> > > > >the "interview" pile is very useful.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company.
>> I
>> > got
>> > > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were "you have a CCIE and a
>> > > > >CISSP, I'm going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring
>> > > > >manager". I had an interview 24 hours later.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Andy
>> > > > >
>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > >Joseph Brunner
>> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM
>> > > > >To: 'darth router'; 'Cisco certification'
>> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >OT is right.. search the archives...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not
>> tell
>> > us
>> > > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a voice
>> > over
>> > > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip
>> network.
>> > > > >Get it?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for
>> > theories
>> > > > >any more... they are running their budgets on empty until at least
>> > 2011.
>> > > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >-Joe
>> > > > >
>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > >darth router
>> > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM
>> > > > >To: Cisco certification
>> > > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Anyone have it? Does it bring any real value to your career?
>> > > > >
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