From: Andrew Dempsey (apdccie@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 00:50:30 ARST
Complete agreement that marketing is a very powerful influence. Also agreed
that the market in this world for overpriced junk is huge and spans many
product lines. :) I only wonder that with the current price of the
available products and with the small size of the CCIE training market, will
a product of this price produce enough sales to profitably support the
multiple companies who offer it? Also is there a certain market that is
captured only by these companies? Examples I can think of would be if Cisco
booked internal CCIE training only through 360 vendors, only allowed 360
vendors to accept learning credits for CCIE training, or required/strongly
encouraged internal employees to use this training.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you ever heard of marketing? And what about literally millions of
> products that are nothing but overpriced junk that people buy anyway?
>
> Not to say that NMC is junk! It's just when I see what can be sold, I
> wouldn't be surprised if some suckers bought 200.000$ version of the
> rebranded same old.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have $20,000 classes ever done well? Is there a market for this that I am
>> overlooking like Cisco internal employees maybe? I just don't understand
>> the business model.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ramanpreet Singh
>> <sikandar.raman@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Yeps Darby is 100% correct.
>> >
>> > I am one of the happy student of Narbik.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/18/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Kgabo,
>> > >
>> > > FYI -
>> > >
>> > > I think this question came up in the past. Well, I know it did. The
>> > list
>> > > owner himself, Paul, checked into it as I recall to his own
>> satisfaction
>> > > and
>> > > came to the conclusion that there are just a lot of happy people
>> coming
>> > out
>> > > of Narbik's classes.
>> > >
>> > > It sounds too good to be true. But as a person who has been to his
>> class
>> > > and been to others...
>> > >
>> > > He has a certain nack for making a lot of tricky topics look
>> ridiculously
>> > > easy.
>> > >
>> > > Others created or had to follow suit with their own development of
>> > similar
>> > > product lines to compete properly with guys like Narbik.
>> > >
>> > > Once upon a time a friend of mine who purchased IPExpert's
>> materials...
>> > got
>> > > on the phone with one of the Brian's and that Brian explained to him
>> > their
>> > > dream/goal/promise of teaching the technologies.
>> > >
>> > > You see before these guys came along most people only had a few
>> choices
>> > for
>> > > CCIE Training at this level:
>> > >
>> > > 1. IPExpert and the E-Scenarios
>> > > 2. NLI came out with the Golden Labs
>> > > 3. NMC did not really offer a lower end product but did have a Tech
>> > Library
>> > > which may not have been offered at the time. They also had products
>> that
>> > I
>> > > think were called "Learn-IT" or something like that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Today the thought of having to buy an entire pacakge from a single
>> vendor
>> > > is
>> > > kind fo dying...
>> > >
>> > > Blogs are all over the Internet now and they offer a lot of succulent
>> > > detail
>> > > on many problem areas and plenty of high-quality learning materials.
>> > >
>> > > Vendors like the Brian's have an entire "End-to-End" training session.
>> > >
>> > > IPExpert has an awesome "BLS or Blended Learning Solution".
>> > >
>> > > Narbik offers his students a very high-quality turbo-charged class
>> > > experience and his personal guarantee to help a student till they
>> pass.
>> > >
>> > > Can you blame students for being excited about that?
>> > >
>> > > The Brians offer pretty much the same deal for their students. Pay
>> one
>> > > price and pass the lab.
>> > >
>> > > The Brians have a team of professionals on staff in some capacity.
>> > >
>> > > Narbik does not as far as I know.
>> > >
>> > > Other vendors contract out help from some silent CCIE's who write or
>> > update
>> > > their materials for them. I know of 2-3 of these guys that I've kept
>> up
>> > > with over time. Some use hired guns to teach their classes. So I'd
>> > suppose
>> > > they have more students and a bigger business model.
>> > >
>> > > Or just pay $20,000.00+ for the Cisco 360 Program and if you do you'd
>> > > better
>> > > pass in say 12 months or whatever their offer may be.
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately many CCIE's on this list have been on this list for more
>> > than
>> > > 12 months typically. Some for years. Search the archives and this
>> does
>> > > not
>> > > count the time some spent lurking.
>> > >
>> > > So...
>> > >
>> > > No Narbik does not have multiple personalities.
>> > >
>> > > He does have a lot of happy students... His price and the quality of
>> his
>> > > presence seems to make them want to come back for another drink from
>> his
>> > > well.
>> > >
>> > > When he's ready to offer everything the other vendors do, then there
>> will
>> > > probably be a few less horses in the race.
>> > >
>> > > I mean if guys like IE, IPEpert, and Narbik are offering everything at
>> > one
>> > > price...
>> > >
>> > > $20,000.00+ classes will probably not do so well.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Kgabo Seopa <kgabo.seopa@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I tend to agree with people who say all advertising emails about
>> > Narbik's
>> > > > blah blah are actually written by him!
>> > > >
>> > > > Just my thought!
>> > > >
>> > > > Kind Regards,
>> > > > KG
>> > > >
>> > > > "A man's dreams are an index to his greatness"
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > Darby Weaver
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:34 PM
>> > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > > > Cc: Huan Pham; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
>> > > > Subject: Re: {SPAM} Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
>> > > >
>> > > > I guess one needs to ensure one takes a class with Micronics versus
>> > > taking
>> > > > a
>> > > > class with another vendor that has hired Narbik to teach or them.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's kinda not fair to expect Narbik to honor his company's
>> guarantee
>> > > when
>> > > > a
>> > > > student actually pays another vendor. In this case Narbik is
>> working
>> > as
>> > > > either an employee or as a contractor.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> narbikk@gmail.com
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > YEs he can, once you take a class with Micronics (ME) you can
>> re-take
>> > > the
>> > > > > class 10 times if you want. YOU WON'T PAY A CENT TO RE-TAKE THE
>> > CLASS,
>> > > > just
>> > > > > make sure that you have your own rack or your are renting one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Huan Pham
>> > > > > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi Atlanta,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > You told me that you attended the Narbik bootcamp before, and
>> you
>> > > said
>> > > > > > that that's what really got you going. Why you try to register
>> > again,
>> > > > > > and why you have to care about the price increase? Can't you get
>> a
>> > > free
>> > > > > > retake from him?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Just curious!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > Behalf
>> > > > Of
>> > > > > > Atlanta CCIE
>> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 8:25 AM
>> > > > > > To: Cisco certification
>> > > > > > Subject: Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I was trying to register for the bootcamp in Pasadena and it
>> > appears
>> > > > > > that Narbik's bootcamp is now $2500 rather than $2000. Anyone
>> > notice
>> > > > > > that?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
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