From: Ashwani ranpise (ashwani.ranpise@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 01:28:40 ARST
I am also very proud student of Narbik. Even after class over one month ago
, he is still helping me with any questions I have. He is a true gentleman &
very knowledgeable person. I will highly recommend Narbik to any one for
their CCIE preparation.
Narbik keep it up the good work.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Complete agreement that marketing is a very powerful influence. Also agreed
> that the market in this world for overpriced junk is huge and spans many
> product lines. :) I only wonder that with the current price of the
> available products and with the small size of the CCIE training market,
> will
> a product of this price produce enough sales to profitably support the
> multiple companies who offer it? Also is there a certain market that is
> captured only by these companies? Examples I can think of would be if
> Cisco
> booked internal CCIE training only through 360 vendors, only allowed 360
> vendors to accept learning credits for CCIE training, or required/strongly
> encouraged internal employees to use this training.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Have you ever heard of marketing? And what about literally millions of
> > products that are nothing but overpriced junk that people buy anyway?
> >
> > Not to say that NMC is junk! It's just when I see what can be sold, I
> > wouldn't be surprised if some suckers bought 200.000$ version of the
> > rebranded same old.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Have $20,000 classes ever done well? Is there a market for this that I
> am
> >> overlooking like Cisco internal employees maybe? I just don't
> understand
> >> the business model.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ramanpreet Singh
> >> <sikandar.raman@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yeps Darby is 100% correct.
> >> >
> >> > I am one of the happy student of Narbik.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 11/18/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Kgabo,
> >> > >
> >> > > FYI -
> >> > >
> >> > > I think this question came up in the past. Well, I know it did.
> The
> >> > list
> >> > > owner himself, Paul, checked into it as I recall to his own
> >> satisfaction
> >> > > and
> >> > > came to the conclusion that there are just a lot of happy people
> >> coming
> >> > out
> >> > > of Narbik's classes.
> >> > >
> >> > > It sounds too good to be true. But as a person who has been to his
> >> class
> >> > > and been to others...
> >> > >
> >> > > He has a certain nack for making a lot of tricky topics look
> >> ridiculously
> >> > > easy.
> >> > >
> >> > > Others created or had to follow suit with their own development of
> >> > similar
> >> > > product lines to compete properly with guys like Narbik.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once upon a time a friend of mine who purchased IPExpert's
> >> materials...
> >> > got
> >> > > on the phone with one of the Brian's and that Brian explained to him
> >> > their
> >> > > dream/goal/promise of teaching the technologies.
> >> > >
> >> > > You see before these guys came along most people only had a few
> >> choices
> >> > for
> >> > > CCIE Training at this level:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. IPExpert and the E-Scenarios
> >> > > 2. NLI came out with the Golden Labs
> >> > > 3. NMC did not really offer a lower end product but did have a Tech
> >> > Library
> >> > > which may not have been offered at the time. They also had products
> >> that
> >> > I
> >> > > think were called "Learn-IT" or something like that.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Today the thought of having to buy an entire pacakge from a single
> >> vendor
> >> > > is
> >> > > kind fo dying...
> >> > >
> >> > > Blogs are all over the Internet now and they offer a lot of
> succulent
> >> > > detail
> >> > > on many problem areas and plenty of high-quality learning materials.
> >> > >
> >> > > Vendors like the Brian's have an entire "End-to-End" training
> session.
> >> > >
> >> > > IPExpert has an awesome "BLS or Blended Learning Solution".
> >> > >
> >> > > Narbik offers his students a very high-quality turbo-charged class
> >> > > experience and his personal guarantee to help a student till they
> >> pass.
> >> > >
> >> > > Can you blame students for being excited about that?
> >> > >
> >> > > The Brians offer pretty much the same deal for their students. Pay
> >> one
> >> > > price and pass the lab.
> >> > >
> >> > > The Brians have a team of professionals on staff in some capacity.
> >> > >
> >> > > Narbik does not as far as I know.
> >> > >
> >> > > Other vendors contract out help from some silent CCIE's who write or
> >> > update
> >> > > their materials for them. I know of 2-3 of these guys that I've
> kept
> >> up
> >> > > with over time. Some use hired guns to teach their classes. So I'd
> >> > suppose
> >> > > they have more students and a bigger business model.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or just pay $20,000.00+ for the Cisco 360 Program and if you do
> you'd
> >> > > better
> >> > > pass in say 12 months or whatever their offer may be.
> >> > >
> >> > > Unfortunately many CCIE's on this list have been on this list for
> more
> >> > than
> >> > > 12 months typically. Some for years. Search the archives and this
> >> does
> >> > > not
> >> > > count the time some spent lurking.
> >> > >
> >> > > So...
> >> > >
> >> > > No Narbik does not have multiple personalities.
> >> > >
> >> > > He does have a lot of happy students... His price and the quality
> of
> >> his
> >> > > presence seems to make them want to come back for another drink from
> >> his
> >> > > well.
> >> > >
> >> > > When he's ready to offer everything the other vendors do, then there
> >> will
> >> > > probably be a few less horses in the race.
> >> > >
> >> > > I mean if guys like IE, IPEpert, and Narbik are offering everything
> at
> >> > one
> >> > > price...
> >> > >
> >> > > $20,000.00+ classes will probably not do so well.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Kgabo Seopa <
> kgabo.seopa@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I tend to agree with people who say all advertising emails about
> >> > Narbik's
> >> > > > blah blah are actually written by him!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Just my thought!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Kind Regards,
> >> > > > KG
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "A man's dreams are an index to his greatness"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Darby Weaver
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:34 PM
> >> > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> >> > > > Cc: Huan Pham; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> >> > > > Subject: Re: {SPAM} Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I guess one needs to ensure one takes a class with Micronics
> versus
> >> > > taking
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > class with another vendor that has hired Narbik to teach or them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It's kinda not fair to expect Narbik to honor his company's
> >> guarantee
> >> > > when
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > student actually pays another vendor. In this case Narbik is
> >> working
> >> > as
> >> > > > either an employee or as a contractor.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
> >> narbikk@gmail.com
> >> > > > >wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > YEs he can, once you take a class with Micronics (ME) you can
> >> re-take
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > class 10 times if you want. YOU WON'T PAY A CENT TO RE-TAKE THE
> >> > CLASS,
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > > make sure that you have your own rack or your are renting one.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Huan Pham
> >> > > > > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Atlanta,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > You told me that you attended the Narbik bootcamp before, and
> >> you
> >> > > said
> >> > > > > > that that's what really got you going. Why you try to register
> >> > again,
> >> > > > > > and why you have to care about the price increase? Can't you
> get
> >> a
> >> > > free
> >> > > > > > retake from him?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Just curious!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> > Behalf
> >> > > > Of
> >> > > > > > Atlanta CCIE
> >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 8:25 AM
> >> > > > > > To: Cisco certification
> >> > > > > > Subject: Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I was trying to register for the bootcamp in Pasadena and it
> >> > appears
> >> > > > > > that Narbik's bootcamp is now $2500 rather than $2000. Anyone
> >> > notice
> >> > > > > > that?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
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> >> > > > > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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