From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2008 - 23:01:29 ARST
Have you ever heard of marketing? And what about literally millions of
products that are nothing but overpriced junk that people buy anyway?
Not to say that NMC is junk! It's just when I see what can be sold, I
wouldn't be surprised if some suckers bought 200.000$ version of the
rebranded same old.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have $20,000 classes ever done well? Is there a market for this that I am
> overlooking like Cisco internal employees maybe? I just don't understand
> the business model.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ramanpreet Singh
> <sikandar.raman@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Yeps Darby is 100% correct.
> >
> > I am one of the happy student of Narbik.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kgabo,
> > >
> > > FYI -
> > >
> > > I think this question came up in the past. Well, I know it did. The
> > list
> > > owner himself, Paul, checked into it as I recall to his own
> satisfaction
> > > and
> > > came to the conclusion that there are just a lot of happy people coming
> > out
> > > of Narbik's classes.
> > >
> > > It sounds too good to be true. But as a person who has been to his
> class
> > > and been to others...
> > >
> > > He has a certain nack for making a lot of tricky topics look
> ridiculously
> > > easy.
> > >
> > > Others created or had to follow suit with their own development of
> > similar
> > > product lines to compete properly with guys like Narbik.
> > >
> > > Once upon a time a friend of mine who purchased IPExpert's materials...
> > got
> > > on the phone with one of the Brian's and that Brian explained to him
> > their
> > > dream/goal/promise of teaching the technologies.
> > >
> > > You see before these guys came along most people only had a few choices
> > for
> > > CCIE Training at this level:
> > >
> > > 1. IPExpert and the E-Scenarios
> > > 2. NLI came out with the Golden Labs
> > > 3. NMC did not really offer a lower end product but did have a Tech
> > Library
> > > which may not have been offered at the time. They also had products
> that
> > I
> > > think were called "Learn-IT" or something like that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Today the thought of having to buy an entire pacakge from a single
> vendor
> > > is
> > > kind fo dying...
> > >
> > > Blogs are all over the Internet now and they offer a lot of succulent
> > > detail
> > > on many problem areas and plenty of high-quality learning materials.
> > >
> > > Vendors like the Brian's have an entire "End-to-End" training session.
> > >
> > > IPExpert has an awesome "BLS or Blended Learning Solution".
> > >
> > > Narbik offers his students a very high-quality turbo-charged class
> > > experience and his personal guarantee to help a student till they pass.
> > >
> > > Can you blame students for being excited about that?
> > >
> > > The Brians offer pretty much the same deal for their students. Pay one
> > > price and pass the lab.
> > >
> > > The Brians have a team of professionals on staff in some capacity.
> > >
> > > Narbik does not as far as I know.
> > >
> > > Other vendors contract out help from some silent CCIE's who write or
> > update
> > > their materials for them. I know of 2-3 of these guys that I've kept
> up
> > > with over time. Some use hired guns to teach their classes. So I'd
> > suppose
> > > they have more students and a bigger business model.
> > >
> > > Or just pay $20,000.00+ for the Cisco 360 Program and if you do you'd
> > > better
> > > pass in say 12 months or whatever their offer may be.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately many CCIE's on this list have been on this list for more
> > than
> > > 12 months typically. Some for years. Search the archives and this
> does
> > > not
> > > count the time some spent lurking.
> > >
> > > So...
> > >
> > > No Narbik does not have multiple personalities.
> > >
> > > He does have a lot of happy students... His price and the quality of
> his
> > > presence seems to make them want to come back for another drink from
> his
> > > well.
> > >
> > > When he's ready to offer everything the other vendors do, then there
> will
> > > probably be a few less horses in the race.
> > >
> > > I mean if guys like IE, IPEpert, and Narbik are offering everything at
> > one
> > > price...
> > >
> > > $20,000.00+ classes will probably not do so well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Kgabo Seopa <kgabo.seopa@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I tend to agree with people who say all advertising emails about
> > Narbik's
> > > > blah blah are actually written by him!
> > > >
> > > > Just my thought!
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > KG
> > > >
> > > > "A man's dreams are an index to his greatness"
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Darby Weaver
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:34 PM
> > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > > Cc: Huan Pham; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Re: {SPAM} Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> > > >
> > > > I guess one needs to ensure one takes a class with Micronics versus
> > > taking
> > > > a
> > > > class with another vendor that has hired Narbik to teach or them.
> > > >
> > > > It's kinda not fair to expect Narbik to honor his company's guarantee
> > > when
> > > > a
> > > > student actually pays another vendor. In this case Narbik is working
> > as
> > > > either an employee or as a contractor.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
> narbikk@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > YEs he can, once you take a class with Micronics (ME) you can
> re-take
> > > the
> > > > > class 10 times if you want. YOU WON'T PAY A CENT TO RE-TAKE THE
> > CLASS,
> > > > just
> > > > > make sure that you have your own rack or your are renting one.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Huan Pham
> > > > > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Atlanta,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You told me that you attended the Narbik bootcamp before, and you
> > > said
> > > > > > that that's what really got you going. Why you try to register
> > again,
> > > > > > and why you have to care about the price increase? Can't you get
> a
> > > free
> > > > > > retake from him?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just curious!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Atlanta CCIE
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 8:25 AM
> > > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > > Subject: Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was trying to register for the bootcamp in Pasadena and it
> > appears
> > > > > > that Narbik's bootcamp is now $2500 rather than $2000. Anyone
> > notice
> > > > > > that?
> > > > > >
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