From: Andrew Dempsey (apdccie@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2008 - 22:42:55 ARST
Have $20,000 classes ever done well? Is there a market for this that I am
overlooking like Cisco internal employees maybe? I just don't understand
the business model.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ramanpreet Singh
<sikandar.raman@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yeps Darby is 100% correct.
>
> I am one of the happy student of Narbik.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/18/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kgabo,
> >
> > FYI -
> >
> > I think this question came up in the past. Well, I know it did. The
> list
> > owner himself, Paul, checked into it as I recall to his own satisfaction
> > and
> > came to the conclusion that there are just a lot of happy people coming
> out
> > of Narbik's classes.
> >
> > It sounds too good to be true. But as a person who has been to his class
> > and been to others...
> >
> > He has a certain nack for making a lot of tricky topics look ridiculously
> > easy.
> >
> > Others created or had to follow suit with their own development of
> similar
> > product lines to compete properly with guys like Narbik.
> >
> > Once upon a time a friend of mine who purchased IPExpert's materials...
> got
> > on the phone with one of the Brian's and that Brian explained to him
> their
> > dream/goal/promise of teaching the technologies.
> >
> > You see before these guys came along most people only had a few choices
> for
> > CCIE Training at this level:
> >
> > 1. IPExpert and the E-Scenarios
> > 2. NLI came out with the Golden Labs
> > 3. NMC did not really offer a lower end product but did have a Tech
> Library
> > which may not have been offered at the time. They also had products that
> I
> > think were called "Learn-IT" or something like that.
> >
> >
> > Today the thought of having to buy an entire pacakge from a single vendor
> > is
> > kind fo dying...
> >
> > Blogs are all over the Internet now and they offer a lot of succulent
> > detail
> > on many problem areas and plenty of high-quality learning materials.
> >
> > Vendors like the Brian's have an entire "End-to-End" training session.
> >
> > IPExpert has an awesome "BLS or Blended Learning Solution".
> >
> > Narbik offers his students a very high-quality turbo-charged class
> > experience and his personal guarantee to help a student till they pass.
> >
> > Can you blame students for being excited about that?
> >
> > The Brians offer pretty much the same deal for their students. Pay one
> > price and pass the lab.
> >
> > The Brians have a team of professionals on staff in some capacity.
> >
> > Narbik does not as far as I know.
> >
> > Other vendors contract out help from some silent CCIE's who write or
> update
> > their materials for them. I know of 2-3 of these guys that I've kept up
> > with over time. Some use hired guns to teach their classes. So I'd
> suppose
> > they have more students and a bigger business model.
> >
> > Or just pay $20,000.00+ for the Cisco 360 Program and if you do you'd
> > better
> > pass in say 12 months or whatever their offer may be.
> >
> > Unfortunately many CCIE's on this list have been on this list for more
> than
> > 12 months typically. Some for years. Search the archives and this does
> > not
> > count the time some spent lurking.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > No Narbik does not have multiple personalities.
> >
> > He does have a lot of happy students... His price and the quality of his
> > presence seems to make them want to come back for another drink from his
> > well.
> >
> > When he's ready to offer everything the other vendors do, then there will
> > probably be a few less horses in the race.
> >
> > I mean if guys like IE, IPEpert, and Narbik are offering everything at
> one
> > price...
> >
> > $20,000.00+ classes will probably not do so well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Kgabo Seopa <kgabo.seopa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I tend to agree with people who say all advertising emails about
> Narbik's
> > > blah blah are actually written by him!
> > >
> > > Just my thought!
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > KG
> > >
> > > "A man's dreams are an index to his greatness"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Darby Weaver
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:34 PM
> > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > Cc: Huan Pham; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Re: {SPAM} Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> > >
> > > I guess one needs to ensure one takes a class with Micronics versus
> > taking
> > > a
> > > class with another vendor that has hired Narbik to teach or them.
> > >
> > > It's kinda not fair to expect Narbik to honor his company's guarantee
> > when
> > > a
> > > student actually pays another vendor. In this case Narbik is working
> as
> > > either an employee or as a contractor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > YEs he can, once you take a class with Micronics (ME) you can re-take
> > the
> > > > class 10 times if you want. YOU WON'T PAY A CENT TO RE-TAKE THE
> CLASS,
> > > just
> > > > make sure that you have your own rack or your are renting one.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Huan Pham
> > > > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Atlanta,
> > > > >
> > > > > You told me that you attended the Narbik bootcamp before, and you
> > said
> > > > > that that's what really got you going. Why you try to register
> again,
> > > > > and why you have to care about the price increase? Can't you get a
> > free
> > > > > retake from him?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just curious!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > Atlanta CCIE
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 8:25 AM
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: Price increased for Narbik's US bootcamp?
> > > > >
> > > > > I was trying to register for the bootcamp in Pasadena and it
> appears
> > > > > that Narbik's bootcamp is now $2500 rather than $2000. Anyone
> notice
> > > > > that?
> > > > >
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