From: Nate Cielieska (ncielieska@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 06 2008 - 11:57:08 ARST
The only thing is to say that this just started to happen recently seems a
little far fetched to me. If this type of behavior has been happening it
should have been happening as soon as the CCIE was deemed valuable by Cisco
partners/Engineers, which was pretty early on... With all of the cloak and
dagger techniques to get someone certified it would seem that time/money
spent would be better served getting someone actually certified.
Nate
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I think you guys are way off base with this one. I doubt any cisco
> employees are involved with this type of activity.
>
> On the other hand there are bid $'s at stake here. If you are a partner in
> china and need to get a number of ccie's on staff in a hurry, what keeps you
> from sending a lot of people to the lab on a regular basis and just tell
> them to memorize as much of the lab that they take as possible? There are
> not that many labs and they only add a new lab once a month. I suspect that
> this the problem. I know cisco is actively working the issue.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com>
> To: Felix Nkansah <felixnkansah@gmail.com>
> Cc: Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com>; Joseph Brunner <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com>; David Prall <dcp@dcptech.com>; Pamela Pinero <
> pampinero@gmail.com>; Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com>; Scott Morris <
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com>; Cisco certification <
> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: CCDE Study Materials
>
> I completely agree with Felix.
> The more people get their hands on the material, the more probable the leak
> is. Now there are many labs, and also a lab on the wheels that is traveling
> around the world. Problem is not test-takers walking out with a paper, but
> mischievous people that work in the program and distribute official CCIE
> NDA
> material outside the lab. Of course, people braking NDA by redrawing and
> recreating the lab should not be overlooked. But businesses like testking
> do
> not come from people that just want to redraw the test.
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Felix Nkansah <felixnkansah@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > But what is the use if the candidate coming in already had access to all
> > the
> > lab questions he was coming to yet 'see'?
> > Cisco's main focus should be on preventing CCIE braindumps; stripping
> > candidates naked and secluding them in single-person cells during their
> > takes would still not help with the proliferation of CCNA -level CCIEs.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > That is funny... I know the CCIE is serious business but geeze... The
> > > actually had me remove a "coffee stir" that day from my pockets.. thats
> > > when
> > > i knew it was serious business.
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Joseph Brunner <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > They had us leave watches at the door once... some yahoo brought in a
> > USB
> > > > watch with answers he somehow tried to load on the rickety old pc's
> > > >
> > > > Use your imagination... that little earbud Tom Cruise wears in
> Mission
> > > > Impossible... next Cisco will need white/pink noise proof windows
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > -Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Nate
> > > > Cielieska
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:57 PM
> > > > To: David Prall
> > > > Cc: Pamela Pinero; Brad Ellis; Scott Morris; Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Re: CCDE Study Materials
> > > >
> > > > Other than an in-test source (ie proctor, employee) i'm not sure how
> > you
> > > > cheat at the Lab exam.. they watch you like a hawk at RTP. Maybe
> other
> > > > locations are different.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Nate Cielieska
> > > > CCIE #21955
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM, David Prall <dcp@dcptech.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > No one has passed the Beta Lab as of yet. Would it really matter if
> > > they
> > > > > had. Hopefully they are teaching per the blueprint, and using some
> > real
> > > > > world examples, and not actual content.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://dcp.dcptech.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Pamela Pinero
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:17 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Brad Ellis'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who is teaching your class? Did your instructor pass the beta
> lab?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:51 PM
> > > > > > To: Scott Morris; pampinero@gmail.com; Cisco certification
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott - I suppose you could say that's true for every Cisco
> > > > > > certification - look at the blueprint! That's were the exam
> > questions
> > > > > > come from. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For our CCDE boot camp there are specific topics that we focus
> on.
> > > The
> > > > > > syllabus should be up by the weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > > > CEO / President
> > > > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > > > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > > > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Scott Morris
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:41 PM
> > > > > > To: pampinero@gmail.com; Brad Ellis; 'Cisco certification'
> > > > > > Subject: FW: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The voices in my head have said that <
> > http://www.cisco.com/go/ccde>
> > > > > > www.cisco.com/go/ccde should contain the blueprint. If the
> > class's
> > > > > > blueprint varies, there would be gaps in your knowledge!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since they wanted to be approved, I'm sure they stuck with the
> > > > > > blueprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > > > > > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Knowledge is power.
> > > > > > Power corrupts.
> > > > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Pamela Pinero" <pampinero@gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date: November 4, 2008 7:05:49 PM EST
> > > > > > To: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>, "'Cisco
> > certification'"
> > > > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > > Reply-To: "Pamela Pinero" <pampinero@gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you. The Russ White book will be a good place for me to
> > start.
> > > Do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > have a syllabus for your written boot camp?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:01 PM
> > > > > > To: Pamela Pinero; Cisco certification
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pamela,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi! Those list of books are pretty good. The most effective book
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > list is the one by Russ White, Optimal Routing Design; he is one
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > CCDE SME's (subject matter experts). The link to the Cisco press
> > > book:
> > > > > > http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587051877
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do have a CCDE written study guide that is in the process of
> > being
> > > > > > updated and is about 50% of the way there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are looking for instructor led training for CCDE, we
> > submitted
> > > > > > our CCDE written boot camp materials to Cisco a few months ago,
> and
> > > got
> > > > > > the "stamp of approval" on our content just recently. Per Cisco,
> we
> > > are
> > > > > > the only Cisco approved CCDE training vendor in the world. They
> > have
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > reviewed anyone else's content. We are in the process of updating
> > our
> > > > > > website to reflect the new approved CCDE training course. The
> > website
> > > > > > should be updated within the next couple days:
> > > > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/instructor-led-training/ccde.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Feel free and email me offlist and I will let you know when the
> > CCDE
> > > > > > written study guide is finished with the update.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > > > CEO / President
> > > > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > > > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Pamela Pinero
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:14 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Cisco certification'
> > > > > > Subject: CCDE Study Materials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Team, I am thinking of changing from my CCIE pursuit to CCDE. I
> > went
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > Cisco's website, found a list of recommended reading:
> > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccde/booklist.html But I
> was
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > wanting some more concise information since there are so many
> books
> > > to
> > > > > > read.
> > > > > > What is everyone using to study for the first exam? Are you
> reading
> > > all
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > those books? Is there an easier way to study?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >
> >
> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Subscription information may be found at:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Pavel Bykov
> -------------------------------------------------
> Stop the braindumps!
> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>
>
> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Subscription information may be found at:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
>
> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Subscription information may be found at:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Mon Dec 01 2008 - 08:18:29 ARST