From: kelly (kelly@cliffhanger.com)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2008 - 19:40:03 ARST
Agreed.
--Quoting Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>: Smartest thing I have read all day... Wayne, You win! You made the absolute most sense... but these bleeding heart liberals will tell you are wrong, and if Karl Marx was alive today, he would figure it all out and make it work (sure). Healthcare for all! Doctors work for free! I think the democracks think the US is like a fantasy world where Gene Roddenberry's quest for "exploring new worlds" absolves us of the need to earn $$$ -Joe -----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:39 PM To: Roman Rodichev; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco certification' Subject: Re[2]: OT RE: Networkers for Obama >Really? I wouldn't tie healthcare to socialism, if it wasn't the right who was doing it, let's see... probably for the last >30 years hrmm... Actually... no, that's not true. The right has never pitched universal healthcare. Universal healthcare requires funding (you don't work for free, neither do doctors, radiologists, etc), and the democrats would like to fund it using tax payer money. They can't tax those who don't pay income tax, so they would like to tax a 'bit more' from the wealthy... okay, a whole lot more. Okay, it's actually just thievery... a particular type of thievery known as socialism from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs The folks tieing socialism to healthcare are the democrats. NOTE: the government can't give squat to anyone unless they tax it out of some one... or print paper... which is a tax in the form of inflation, and nobody (rich or poor) escape that tax Also, if the government 'got' universal healthcare, where are all the hospitals going to come from? Who is going to build a hospital if the amount of profit they can get from it is fixed? Answer: nobody Where are all the radiologists, cardiologists, neurosurgeons, let alone already scare RNs going to come from when their pay is going to be severly limited? Answer: nowhere What is going to happen to the waiting time in the ER which is already at five hours in Cleveland? Answer: you'll die waiting Where are the advancement in pharmaceuticals going to come from? Answer: nowhere Now, somebody will give us the answer that the government will build the hospitals (more taxing from the wealthy...), and the government will give loans to students (more taxes, probably crappier worker) and the government will mandate (how they'll enforce, we'll never know... they can't keep drugs off the streets, but they can enforce ->) a maximum hold queue (wfq? wtf?). They'll fund research into wonder drugs (but since you don't have to worry about keeping your job and you won't get paid extra for long hours...) Of course, taxing the wealthy will be an issue, because the suckers will leave the country. Oh, and we'll have less neurosurgeons ($250k and up), and less radiologisits ($250k and up), and less entrepeneurs... but it'll be okay. It's not like that group employe office staff... buy homes (construction)... eat at fine restaurants (entertainment industry).... pay taxes (accountants) or have any effect on the economy at all. The president creates jobs... it's not the entrepeneur. It's OKAY.... Because we'll have free healtchare (which is neither free nor really care of anybody's health at that point)... and it'll be worth every penny the person didn't pay for it. Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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