From: Tien (tientien.wang@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 14:35:04 ARST
Han,
tell me about it, my manager doesn't want to change the passwds for the
network gears after employees let go or quit. :)
Tien
On 11/2/08, Han Solo <emaillists@me.com> wrote:
>
> Any network I have worked on that had 5 Time CCIE Teachers working on it
> was way off , way overly complicated , and no consideration for the
> operators of the network. Folks that have 4+ ccie's albeight , they are
> dedicated indivuduals , but they are theorists whom spend 70% of there time
> in lab's and have no concept of change control and IT operations. They want
> your money and that is it , when you stop giving them money they stop
> talking.. Certifications are great to provide a structured approach to
> follow to learn a defined skillset , but it does not mean you are a network
> engineer because you have 5 CCIE's .. The best way is to work in the field ,
> build networks , deal with the politics of "People" not the technology...
> Most often it is not the technology that is causing the problem it is the
> Communication of the people operating the network , that is the real skill .
> The best training you will ever get is go get a job at a large hospital or
> school , granted your not going to make the big bucks but you will learn
> real quick about communications , the business and the technology is
> typically last it is nothing more than a tool to support the business.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Gary Duncanson wrote:
>
> The vendors I know have plenty of experience to go around. I can vouch
>> for that and have over eleven years in. I would happily work along side
>> them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Yemeni" <
>> digital.yemeni@gmail.com>
>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>
>>
>> IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>> Don't believe the bullshit in the presentation.
>>> The number of kits comment is complete crap
>>> Nothing against Cisco? WTF!
>>> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>> !
>>> !
>>> !
>>> !
>>> Sandra,
>>> !
>>> Well said, WELL SAID.
>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> what is this?! Professionalism? for a moment I thought we are in a fish
>>> market supported by "multiple-CCIEs" not a professional mailing list!
>>> Even if everything "YOU" do is for money, there is something important to
>>> know which is how you get that money!! Certainly not by showning your bad
>>> attitude and attacks to others "who by the way NEVER attack you namely or
>>> personally". If you don't like what they say or what they do, you are not
>>> obliged to listen to it! you are not asked to give your opinion!! worse,
>>> you
>>> not even allowed to show you wonderful attitdue not because you can't but
>>> because you must behave like a human before being a "professional person
>>> in
>>> a professional mailing list!!"
>>> |
>>> Good nights professionals!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, L Pham <ccie17030@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> He he: we must be in election year ;-))))
>>>>
>>>> Remember: the bottom line is what is in it for ME.
>>>> Loc
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sandra Davis <sandradvs61@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the program. IE
>>>> > applied to be a part of the program
>>>> >
>>>> > under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
>>>> > requirements.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can give
>>>> away
>>>> > training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver Cisco CCIE
>>>> > classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
>>>> > presentation.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer a kit
>>>> > requirement.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $ you >
>>>> are
>>>> > doing?! Come on!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco equipment
>>>> > because you offer Cisco grey market
>>>> >
>>>> > training.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360 >
>>>> offering
>>>> > with current products.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study
>>>> material
>>>> > to make sure the student has the proper
>>>> >
>>>> > knowledge prior to entering a class.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for actual
>>>> > learning!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer
>>>> Success
>>>> > Managers. Great proof reading!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes must >
>>>> suck.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams the >
>>>> hell
>>>> out
>>>> > of mailing lists!!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are IN
>>>> the
>>>> real
>>>> > world! They all do nothing but teach.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA, they >
>>>> should
>>>> > look into a different line of work.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
>>>> > To: L. Jankok
>>>> > Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>> >
>>>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Great, I am viewing :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > The recording can be viewed here:
>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>>> >> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > L. Jankok wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
>>>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing. We
>>>> will
>>>> be
>>>> >> sure
>>>> >> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Warmest regards,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>> >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> >> <
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
>>>> >> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen went >>
>>>> > blank
>>>> so
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
>>>> >> > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
>>>> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be posted
>>>> lol
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
>>>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
>>>> event.
>>>> >> > I have to wait un
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <apdccie@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within minutes >> >
>>>> anyway.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi <
>>>> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>> <
>>>> >> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > > > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
>>>> >> murserver@me.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > log-in with your standard classroom account
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hello,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i join i
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > didnt
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > get
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > any link?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
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>>>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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