From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 15:35:25 ARST
Did the public School District with over 50 ATM and about 20 Frame
Campuses...
Did the Theme Park Campus network... with remote data center...
Did the Higher Education aka College Campus Networks with more buildings...
and metro area networks... with remote virtual data center...
Now doing the hospital network for an entire state... and a nice
sized/complexity data center...
I promise you there are tons of considerations that come up that one may not
see in any lab environment. Never mind the scope of technologies that one
might encounter.
Granted you find an actual application for every technology covered by the
CCIE Training without a doubt.
But network management, operations, and the people aspects vary from one
environment to another quite a bit. I call it the "Layer 8" factor.
And yes proper communications is always the ultimate key to one's success or
failure.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Han Solo <emaillists@me.com> wrote:
> Any network I have worked on that had 5 Time CCIE Teachers working on it
> was way off , way overly complicated , and no consideration for the
> operators of the network. Folks that have 4+ ccie's albeight , they are
> dedicated indivuduals , but they are theorists whom spend 70% of there time
> in lab's and have no concept of change control and IT operations. They want
> your money and that is it , when you stop giving them money they stop
> talking.. Certifications are great to provide a structured approach to
> follow to learn a defined skillset , but it does not mean you are a network
> engineer because you have 5 CCIE's .. The best way is to work in the field ,
> build networks , deal with the politics of "People" not the technology...
> Most often it is not the technology that is causing the problem it is the
> Communication of the people operating the network , that is the real skill .
> The best training you will ever get is go get a job at a large hospital or
> school , granted your not going to make the big bucks but you will learn
> real quick about communications , the business and the technology is
> typically last it is nothing more than a tool to support the business.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Gary Duncanson wrote:
>
> The vendors I know have plenty of experience to go around. I can vouch for
>> that and have over eleven years in. I would happily work along side them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Yemeni" <
>> digital.yemeni@gmail.com>
>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>
>>
>> IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>> Don't believe the bullshit in the presentation.
>>> The number of kits comment is complete crap
>>> Nothing against Cisco? WTF!
>>> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>> !
>>> !
>>> !
>>> !
>>> Sandra,
>>> !
>>> Well said, WELL SAID.
>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> what is this?! Professionalism? for a moment I thought we are in a fish
>>> market supported by "multiple-CCIEs" not a professional mailing list!
>>> Even if everything "YOU" do is for money, there is something important to
>>> know which is how you get that money!! Certainly not by showning your bad
>>> attitude and attacks to others "who by the way NEVER attack you namely or
>>> personally". If you don't like what they say or what they do, you are not
>>> obliged to listen to it! you are not asked to give your opinion!! worse,
>>> you
>>> not even allowed to show you wonderful attitdue not because you can't but
>>> because you must behave like a human before being a "professional person
>>> in
>>> a professional mailing list!!"
>>> |
>>> Good nights professionals!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, L Pham <ccie17030@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> He he: we must be in election year ;-))))
>>>>
>>>> Remember: the bottom line is what is in it for ME.
>>>> Loc
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sandra Davis <sandradvs61@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the program. IE
>>>> > applied to be a part of the program
>>>> >
>>>> > under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
>>>> > requirements.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can give
>>>> away
>>>> > training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver Cisco CCIE
>>>> > classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
>>>> > presentation.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer a kit
>>>> > requirement.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $ you >
>>>> are
>>>> > doing?! Come on!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco equipment
>>>> > because you offer Cisco grey market
>>>> >
>>>> > training.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360 >
>>>> offering
>>>> > with current products.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study
>>>> material
>>>> > to make sure the student has the proper
>>>> >
>>>> > knowledge prior to entering a class.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for actual
>>>> > learning!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer
>>>> Success
>>>> > Managers. Great proof reading!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes must >
>>>> suck.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams the >
>>>> hell
>>>> out
>>>> > of mailing lists!!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are IN
>>>> the
>>>> real
>>>> > world! They all do nothing but teach.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA, they >
>>>> should
>>>> > look into a different line of work.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
>>>> > To: L. Jankok
>>>> > Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>> >
>>>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Great, I am viewing :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > The recording can be viewed here:
>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>>> >> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > L. Jankok wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
>>>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing. We
>>>> will
>>>> be
>>>> >> sure
>>>> >> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Warmest regards,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>> >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> >> <
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> <
>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
>>>> >> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen went >>
>>>> > blank
>>>> so
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
>>>> >> > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
>>>> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be posted
>>>> lol
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
>>>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
>>>> event.
>>>> >> > I have to wait un
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <apdccie@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within minutes >> >
>>>> anyway.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi <
>>>> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>> <
>>>> >> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > > > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
>>>> >> murserver@me.com>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > log-in with your standard classroom account
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hello,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i join i
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > didnt
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > get
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > any link?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
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