From: Roger Oliver (divineone@divine-wind.net)
Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 - 20:55:02 ARST
I will not say who's books are better but I will say if you are asking
about that book in your subject then you've already done some great
homework.
Unicast me for a private conversation and I will be happy to tell you my
thoughts. Joe thanks for your book! I will take a look at it after my
lab.
Good Journey,
roger
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: The Gap from CCNP to CCIE by Narbik Kocharians
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> Date: Sat, October 25, 2008 2:03 pm
> To: "'Darby Weaver'" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>, "'Anthony J
> Sequeira'" <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
> Cc: "'Sergei Udovenko'" <udovenko@gmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
>
> If you are a weak or average CCNP I suggest working through my workbook...
>
> I'm giving it away free and it will definitely put you on the doorstep to
> the CCIE written / road to the lab. I would say if you can complete all the
> objectives in my workbook, you are 80% of the way towards the lab. It's a
> "CCNP" workbook, but it's taught upwards... meaning I feel a CCNP should
> almost be able to completely manage and modify their own network.
>
> http://www.affirmedsystems.com/workbooks
>
> Have Fun!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: Anthony J Sequeira
> Cc: Sergei Udovenko; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: The Gap from CCNP to CCIE by Narbik Kocharians
>
> If you are weak on the CCNP-level subjects...
>
> Do not forget about Chris Bryant and the BryantAdvantage from
> Trainsignal.com
>
> If I may say so, his material is geared at cutting any learning curve
> between the CCNA and the CCIE via the CCNP.
>
> His materials are hands-on and he covers the material with the assumption
> one is headed down CCIE Lane.
>
> Now - If there were going to really be a "Cisco 360" program...
>
> Cisco must have forgotten about this guy.
>
> His work reminds me of that of Mark Minasi from Windows Server NT4-2008...
>
> He covers the gaps some others forget about.
>
> Now he does lack labs to help one master everything. But his lectures are
> complete and cover everything up to CCIE Nuances. So they might also be
> great for real-world application.
>
> If you need more labs... then allow me to point you towards the following
> resources:
>
> 1. Narbik's Soup-to-Nuts, GAP, and CCIE Advanced Workbooks - Thousands of
> pages of labs and solutions presented in mostly as few devices as possible.
>
> 2. IE's Volume I Workbooks - I must say when added to their famous CCIE
> Class-on-Demand - This is a powerful package. If you need more practice,
> then they still offer the Volume III Workbook - With another 10 Labs that
> are each on par with and exceed (in my opinion) the lab presented by CCIE
> 360 Day-1 and the CCIE Accesssor Labs offered by Cisco.
>
> 3. NLI - The Golden Labs is product I used once upon a time and these were
> probably the basis for other labs now presented by others. These are some
> of the best examples of each technology presented. I think this may be the
> single-most best value in terms of labs for the buck offered by any vendor.
> A great product. These guys offer a complete solution too for study. Their
> lab workbooks are sold in bite size 5 labs at time editions and for the
> price - another great bargain - complete labs with tasks that are clearly
> worded and clearly answered in EVERY LAB. No need to have lab 1 for the
> solution in lab 30.
>
> 4. IPExpert - A product not recognized for the content that they provide.
> Their are a few items in their "Proctor's Guide" that are quite unique and
> interesting. The used to offfer free e-scenarios that were quite
> interesting and had lost of tips and tricks built in. They offer complete
> bundles.
>
> 5. Let's see... has anyone been to CCO lately... this is the biggest
> treasure trove that is FREE and every CCIE candidate seems reluctant to
> use... even when it is FREE and is provided in the CCIE Lab itself.
>
> - FREE
> - For some reason it pretty much covers the CCIE Lab Blueprint to an extent
> not covered by any single vendor.
> - Since one is currently allowed to see those pesky issues that CCIE
> Scenarios are drawn from in the CCIE Lab and thier solutions - this little
> bag of tricks... is the BOMB. AKA - The Examples and Technotes.
> - http://cisco.com/web/psa/products/tsd_products_support_configure.html
>
>
> See almost all of us probably wanted a shortcut and we never even looked or
> considered that Cisco might have offered us a shortcut right in front of our
> very own eyes... a click away.
>
> So...
>
> Before you consider paying $4500 - $20,000.00 for a Cisco 360 program...
> take a look at the the Cisco References first...
>
> Then consider your options.
>
> The 360 Program's Week-1 will likely consist of:
>
> 1 Days - a lab similar in content to the CCIE Accessor and review of the
> same lab.
> 1 Days - QoS and Cat QoS
> 1 Days - Multicast/Switching
> 1 Days - BGP/IPV6/IP SLA
> 1 Day - Final day a graded lab
>
> The Week 2 Program will likely consist of:
>
> 4 Graded Labs and maybe 2-4 hours coverage of each lab.
>
> So...
>
> If you need the basics and the CCNP to CCIE Gap... You gotta get it from
> somewhere.
>
> If you are on the cheap:
>
> 1. O-Reilly - Cisco Cookbook Second Edition.
> 2. Cisco Press - Frame Relay - Covers Frame Relay to the Nine's...
> 3. Cisco Press - LAN Switching - Sounds out of date but everything you will
> need to know about Switching is in their.
> 4. Cisco Press - Switching Practical Studies - When you finish reference
> number 3 - you might need more practice with switching, this one drives it
> home.
> 5. Cisco Press - Building IP Resilient Networks - Yes - this one completes
> your understanding of Switching and adds a few other items to the mix... IP
> SLB, HSRP, etc. The discussion on how Spanning-Tree works is priceless by
> itself.
> 6. Cisco Press - TCP/IP Vol I - IPv4 and IPv6 Coverage - This is what the
> proctors have behind their desks.. wonder why? Summarization, Route-Maps,
> Distribute-lists, Offset-lists, and even Subnetting... it's in there. All
> those little issues that bite us and others try to drive home with thier own
> labs... it is in there.
> 7. Cisco Press - TCP/IP Vol II - Yep... Doyle did it AGAIN... This time he
> covered those "OTHER" topics... this is likely to be the book you will
> receive at Cisco 360 Week 2 and with some very good reasons... BGP, IP
> Multicast...etc. It's here... Again... Proctor's Delight.
>
> 8. Now... where do you go for ACLs? Well Richard Deal... penned a book by
> Cisco Press called: Cisco Router Firewall Security. Yep... this is where
> you learn all about those puppies.
>
> 9. QoS... Remember CCIE Vol II did a good job with this one, but you can get
> a few good books from Cisco Press - Most notably End-to-End QoS, and Cisco
> Catalyst QOS... and Wendell Odom's Cisco QOS Certification Guide - 2nd
> Edition (The old DQOS and the first edition are great if you really are
> strapped for cash).
>
> 10. Do NOT forget the following books:
>
> - Cisco Press CCIE Written Certification Exam Guide 3rd Edition.
> - Cisco Press CCIE Practical Studies Vol I and Vol II by Karl Solie - Trust
> me... if you need to build your own lab - this is the FIRST book you will
> need. It's a MUST-HAVE -speaking for Vol I.
> - Do not forget Cisco Press Cisco Security Written Certification Exam
> Guide... I know it says Security... but it says things... that are excellent
> for CCIE RS. Remember the authors are CCIE RS too.
>
> 11. Cisco Press - CCIE Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols - Remember the
> CCIE Lab is a "Troubleshooting Exam" and there is a lot of stuff in this
> book.
>
> If you are considering Cisco 360 Week two... you OWE it to yourself... to
> consider these "CHEAPIES":
>
> - Cisco Press - Practical Studies Vol I and Vol II. Yes there are topics no
> longer in the lab and then there are a lot of topics that are still in the
> LAB.
>
> - Cisco Press - Labs... They made two of these and while you are at it...
> get the Cisco Press Security Labs Books too. If not it is totally on
> you.... I told you so.
>
>
> There are other books....
>
> But if you use these with CCO and the CLI at your fingertips... you might
> be pleasantly surprised at how much is "In THERE".
>
> Good Luck to All...
>
>
> Darby Weaver
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Anthony J Sequeira <
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > I am not familiar with the Narbik book you mention...but I know the answer
> > is going to 100% depend on your level right now.
> >
> > If you are a "weak" CCNP, for example, starting with our
> InternetworkExpert
> > is NOT the way to go. You never want to try learning these technologies
> > through mere "practice labbing".
> >
> > At this point, I believe, every vendor has foundational products that are
> > perfect for someone that needs training before practice labs begin.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> >
> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> > Senior CCIE Instructor
> >
> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/25/08 6:04 AM, "Sergei Udovenko" <udovenko@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi to all CCIE candidates and Experts!
> > >
> > > I would like to hear your opinion about this book as a start workbook
> for
> > > CCIE Lab prep. Or maybe to go straight on IEWB vol 1?
> > > To be honest with you, I really got confused with all these workbooks.
> Of
> > > course I know what is IEWB, IPexpert and Narbik's workbooks, My friend
> > gave
> > > me Narbik's book "The gap from ccnp to ccie" so i would like to know if
> > this
> > > worth to begin with it and after that go on with some more advanced
> > > workbooks!
> > >
> > > Your opinion is VERY important to me.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards, Sergei aka CPU
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