From: josh lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 06:22:31 ART
Agreed,
when I first picked up a vendor's workbook (Ipexpert was the first of many I
purchased) I was like "what the hell is this?" I was completed befuddled and
not even close to being prepared. I sat the NMC-1 class once, the NMC-2
class twice and lo and behold, I passed the lab. But what's underneath the
surface is that I LEARNED the technology, I mean really learned it. The
teaching methodology is sound and sound teaching will help you pass the lab.
It also really helps that NMC keeps their class sizes at a certain
instructor-student ratio so they can give you extra attention if needed. I
cannot speak for the other vendors classes (except for GK's which I really
didn't like) but I'm sure they are top notch as well.
I'll just say that NMC's classes were the best 10k I spent in my CCIE
learning program, follow up the classes with some mock-lab workbooks and
it's a sure-fire method if you can supply the dedication.
Josh
CCIE 16024
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From: "Wes Stevens" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the high
> road on training. Their training was always focused on really teaching you
> the technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the technology well and
> the lab will follow. I know Cisco used to send their own people there on a
> regular basis.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
> Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
> program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the Routing
> and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
> Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
>
> *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE - Routing
> and
> Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
> practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
> designed
> to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are not up
> to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
> Network
> World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program will
> be
> made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
> consist
> of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6, QoS,
> Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
> workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000 but
> can
> reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
>
> **
>
> Basically here's the skinny:
>
> There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
>
> It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days. As
> of
> now just NMC that I am aware of.
>
> The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week Class
> currently offered by NMC.
>
> The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
> currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
> since I tried one.
>
> The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
> given by NMC on the first day of class.
>
> The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
> Demand,
> which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the NMC
> Tech
> Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
> Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the class as
> I
> recall.
>
> The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
> CheckIT
> grading system.
>
> Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will recall
> the format and layout.
>
>
>
> If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
> deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
>
> With all of this said:
>
> NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
> thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
> Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
>
> The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
> feedback system in the business.
>
> The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the best
> "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception respects
> NMC above all their other competition.
>
> The scientific method that they employee is freely available for viewing
> and
> really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
> concise manner.
>
>
>
> What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
>
>
>
> However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships it
> will
> be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
> IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's $2000.00
> "Till
> You Pass" limited time offer.
>
> And there are others.
>
> Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer knowledge
> and
> presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be scaled to
> the level that such an announcement might presume.
>
>
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