From: Bill Eyer (beyer@optonline.net)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 09:57:01 ART
Does anyone know what will happen to existing NetMaster customers? Will
they be rolled into the new program, will the old program continue or
will they just be out of luck.
Sincerely,
Bill
josh lauer wrote:
> Agreed,
>
> when I first picked up a vendor's workbook (Ipexpert was the first of
> many I purchased) I was like "what the hell is this?" I was completed
> befuddled and not even close to being prepared. I sat the NMC-1 class
> once, the NMC-2 class twice and lo and behold, I passed the lab. But
> what's underneath the surface is that I LEARNED the technology, I mean
> really learned it. The teaching methodology is sound and sound
> teaching will help you pass the lab. It also really helps that NMC
> keeps their class sizes at a certain instructor-student ratio so they
> can give you extra attention if needed. I cannot speak for the other
> vendors classes (except for GK's which I really didn't like) but I'm
> sure they are top notch as well.
>
> I'll just say that NMC's classes were the best 10k I spent in my CCIE
> learning program, follow up the classes with some mock-lab workbooks
> and it's a sure-fire method if you can supply the dedication.
>
> Josh
> CCIE 16024
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Wes Stevens" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
> To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
>> No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the
>> high road on training. Their training was always focused on really
>> teaching you the technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the
>> technology well and the lab will follow. I know Cisco used to send
>> their own people there on a regular basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
>> Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
>> program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the
>> Routing
>> and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
>> Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
>>
>> *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE -
>> Routing and
>> Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
>> practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
>> designed
>> to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are
>> not up
>> to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
>> Network
>> World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program
>> will be
>> made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
>> consist
>> of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6,
>> QoS,
>> Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
>> workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000
>> but can
>> reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
>>
>> **
>>
>> Basically here's the skinny:
>>
>> There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
>>
>> It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days.
>> As of
>> now just NMC that I am aware of.
>>
>> The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week
>> Class
>> currently offered by NMC.
>>
>> The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
>> currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
>> since I tried one.
>>
>> The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
>> given by NMC on the first day of class.
>>
>> The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
>> Demand,
>> which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the
>> NMC Tech
>> Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
>> Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the
>> class as I
>> recall.
>>
>> The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
>> CheckIT
>> grading system.
>>
>> Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will
>> recall
>> the format and layout.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
>> deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
>>
>> With all of this said:
>>
>> NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
>> thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
>> Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
>>
>> The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
>> feedback system in the business.
>>
>> The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the
>> best
>> "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception
>> respects
>> NMC above all their other competition.
>>
>> The scientific method that they employee is freely available for
>> viewing and
>> really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
>> concise manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships
>> it will
>> be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
>> IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's
>> $2000.00 "Till
>> You Pass" limited time offer.
>>
>> And there are others.
>>
>> Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer
>> knowledge and
>> presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be
>> scaled to
>> the level that such an announcement might presume.
>>
>>
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