From: Ahmed Elhoussiny (aelhoussiny@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 10 2008 - 09:06:01 ART
sry for my typo mistakes ......LOL
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Ahmed Elhoussiny <aelhoussiny@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Its not a problem at all to see un satisfied person from a class at Vendor
> X , and another one is saying that Vendor Y is like going to Hell , and
> Other ppl saying that they are great .
>
> I like to read this posts , Take the +ve & -ve view , and see what is the
> best for me.
>
> The best thing for an Instructor/vendor is to learn from -ve feedback , and
> thier must be some -ve feedback as no body is perfect .....but ofcorse if
> there isnt any +ve feedback...that would be a problem :)
>
> After finishing my written exam , reading Tons of Cisco press books and
> some other vendor's books , I did the
>
> IE VOD + MOC LABs which gave me alot of experince on CCIE TRICKS at the
> same time I heared some of Scott Morris increadble Voice records in my car
> whenever im heading to work , to club ...any where ......for me it was just
> like Old Metallica/Megdeth Albums it ROCKS..............Ive also gone thru
> Narbick documnets souptonuts which i see are GREAT.................The funny
> thing is i went to a 7 days bootcamp with another vendor Netmetric with
> TarunPahuja..........
>
> All were great , all of them got +ves & -ves ....so you pick the most
> vendor that will reach your demands + i beleive in always using more than 1
> Vendor .......as not only to gain knowledge , *but to have/learn the
> Expeince of different types of teaching/Instructing techincques , *
>
> thats my own personal point of view........
>
> B.regards
> Ahmed Elhoussiny CCIE # 21988
> Net Eng. & Cisco Academy Instructor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Bill Eyer <beyer@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I think it is nice when students tell us about things that worked for
>> them. However, I think people should stay away from slamming things they
>> didn't like.
>>
>> Personally I have had some bootcamps situations degraded by -- yes, not
>> the vendor, the students. There are a bunch of people who think this is a
>> CCNA bootcamp, go two weeks, get a certification. They show up unprepared,
>> come late leave early, then expect the instructor to teach down to their
>> level.
>>
>> Financially, I supposed vendors have to accept students of this type
>> whether they want to or not, but it sure hurts those of us who prepped to
>> come and are serious about what we want to get out of the class.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>>> I think IE should hire Bruce, Val, and Jared as well.......Just a joke
>>> don't
>>> get excited man just a joke.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy is
>>>> really
>>>> starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one. Its
>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my
>>>>> first
>>>>> trial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and
>>>>> learned
>>>>> as much as I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to
>>>>> view
>>>>> the
>>>>> VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> next
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ways
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use
>>>>> the
>>>>> bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the
>>>>> area
>>>>> that you are not sure about.
>>>>>
>>>>> IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> May All Behappy!!!
>>>>> Kim Loon Teu
>>>>> UE=uBW
>>>>> CCIE 19369
>>>>> www.kimteu.com
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
>>>>>
>>>>> All conditioned phenomena
>>>>> Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow
>>>>> Like the dew, or like lightning
>>>>> You should discern them like this
>>>>> R;GPSPN*7(#,HgCN;CE]S0#,HgB6R`Hg5g#,S&WwHgJG9[
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
>>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>>> You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone who
>>>>>> signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of
>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> so
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you
>>>>>> stated
>>>>>> you did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November 12
>>>>>> day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp)
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> self-paced
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> rack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the self-paced
>>>>>> materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the
>>>>>> 24
>>>>>> days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> R&S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bootcamp scenarios.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going to
>>>>>> leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and
>>>>>> attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
>>>>>> Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
>>>>>> Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> waiver
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> my
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics with
>>>>>> Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had
>>>>>> created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the Physics
>>>>>> class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> standard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> completed "Calculus I".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> before
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
>>>>>> "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets
>>>>>> people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are signed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more of
>>>>>> Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: tfaria72@gmail.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
>>>>>> Subject:Narbik coolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> received
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
>>>>>> Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> me.
>>>>>> I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I
>>>>>> did
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Narbiks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> so
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> answers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>>> The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> learn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
>>>>>> before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> five
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> buy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> cost
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> am
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>> saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my
>>>>>> arm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> whatever. This is just my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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