From: Ahmed Elhoussiny (aelhoussiny@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 10 2008 - 09:04:16 ART
Its not a problem at all to see un satisfied person from a class at Vendor X
, and another one is saying that Vendor Y is like going to Hell , and Other
ppl saying that they are great .
I like to read this posts , Take the +ve & -ve view , and see what is the
best for me.
The best thing for an Instructor/vendor is to learn from -ve feedback , and
thier must be some -ve feedback as no body is perfect .....but ofcorse if
there isnt any +ve feedback...that would be a problem :)
After finishing my written exam , reading Tons of Cisco press books and some
other vendor's books , I did the
IE VOD + MOC LABs which gave me alot of experince on CCIE TRICKS at the
same time I heared some of Scott Morris increadble Voice records in my car
whenever im heading to work , to club ...any where ......for me it was just
like Old Metallica/Megdeth Albums it ROCKS..............Ive also gone thru
Narbick documnets souptonuts which i see are GREAT.................The funny
thing is i went to a 7 days bootcamp with another vendor Netmetric with
TarunPahuja..........
All were great , all of them got +ves & -ves ....so you pick the most
vendor that will reach your demands + i beleive in always using more than 1
Vendor .......as not only to gain knowledge , *but to have/learn the
Expeince of different types of teaching/Instructing techincques , *
thats my own personal point of view........
B.regards
Ahmed Elhoussiny CCIE # 21988
Net Eng. & Cisco Academy Instructor.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Bill Eyer <beyer@optonline.net> wrote:
> I think it is nice when students tell us about things that worked for them.
> However, I think people should stay away from slamming things they didn't
> like.
>
> Personally I have had some bootcamps situations degraded by -- yes, not the
> vendor, the students. There are a bunch of people who think this is a CCNA
> bootcamp, go two weeks, get a certification. They show up unprepared, come
> late leave early, then expect the instructor to teach down to their level.
>
> Financially, I supposed vendors have to accept students of this type
> whether they want to or not, but it sure hurts those of us who prepped to
> come and are serious about what we want to get out of the class.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
>> I think IE should hire Bruce, Val, and Jared as well.......Just a joke
>> don't
>> get excited man just a joke.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy is
>>> really
>>> starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one. Its
>>> unfortunate.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my
>>>> first
>>>> trial.
>>>>
>>>> Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>> was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I
>>>>
>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>
>>>> finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and
>>>> learned
>>>> as much as I can.
>>>>
>>>> After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to view
>>>> the
>>>> VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> next
>>>
>>>
>>>> bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ways
>>>
>>>
>>>> for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use
>>>> the
>>>> bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the area
>>>> that you are not sure about.
>>>>
>>>> IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> May All Behappy!!!
>>>> Kim Loon Teu
>>>> UE=uBW
>>>> CCIE 19369
>>>> www.kimteu.com
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
>>>>
>>>> All conditioned phenomena
>>>> Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow
>>>> Like the dew, or like lightning
>>>> You should discern them like this
>>>> R;GPSPN*7(#,HgCN;CE]S0#,HgB6R`Hg5g#,S&WwHgJG9[
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>> You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you did
>>>>> not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone who
>>>>> signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of charge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> so
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you stated
>>>>> you did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> when
>>>
>>>
>>>> you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November 12
>>>>> day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this is
>>>>> unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp) we
>>>>> allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> self-paced
>>>
>>>
>>>> material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> rack
>>>
>>>
>>>> time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the self-paced
>>>>> materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the 24
>>>>> days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>> does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> get
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> R&S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> bootcamp scenarios.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing to
>>>>> learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going to
>>>>> leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and
>>>>> attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester in
>>>>> college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
>>>>> Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>> few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The
>>>
>>>
>>>> normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
>>>>> Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>> Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> waiver
>>>
>>>
>>>> from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> my
>>>
>>>
>>>> way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics with
>>>>> Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the same
>>>>> time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had
>>>>> created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the Physics
>>>>> class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> week.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> standard
>>>
>>>
>>>> version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> completed "Calculus I".
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> are
>>>
>>>
>>>> in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> before
>>>
>>>
>>>> attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
>>>>> "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>> candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets
>>>>> people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>> not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
>>>>>
>>>>> We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are signed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> up
>>>
>>>
>>>> for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more of
>>>>> Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
>>>
>>>
>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: tfaria72@gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
>>>>> Subject:Narbik coolaid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> are
>>>
>>>
>>>> wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> received
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
>>>>> Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
>>>>> people
>>>>> said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> know
>>>
>>>
>>>> me.
>>>>> I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
>>>>> thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>> also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It
>>>
>>>
>>>> looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Narbiks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> so
>>>
>>>
>>>> much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> answers
>>>
>>>
>>>> it.
>>>>> The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> go
>>>
>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> learn
>>>
>>>
>>>> the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
>>>>> before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
>>>>> details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> five
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> buy
>>>
>>>
>>>> something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> am
>>>
>>>
>>>> not
>>>>> saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
>>>>> worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
>>>>> suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
>>>>> confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> do
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> whatever. This is just my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
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