From: Bill Eyer (beyer@optonline.net)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 17:12:50 ART
I think it is nice when students tell us about things that worked for
them. However, I think people should stay away from slamming things
they didn't like.
Personally I have had some bootcamps situations degraded by -- yes, not
the vendor, the students. There are a bunch of people who think this is
a CCNA bootcamp, go two weeks, get a certification. They show up
unprepared, come late leave early, then expect the instructor to teach
down to their level.
Financially, I supposed vendors have to accept students of this type
whether they want to or not, but it sure hurts those of us who prepped
to come and are serious about what we want to get out of the class.
Bill
Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> I think IE should hire Bruce, Val, and Jared as well.......Just a joke don't
> get excited man just a joke.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy is
>> really
>> starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one. Its unfortunate.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my first
>>> trial.
>>>
>>> Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites.
>>>
>> I
>>
>>> was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I
>>>
>> only
>>
>>> finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and
>>> learned
>>> as much as I can.
>>>
>>> After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to view
>>> the
>>> VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the
>>>
>> next
>>
>>> bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many
>>>
>> ways
>>
>>> for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use the
>>> bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the area
>>> that you are not sure about.
>>>
>>> IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> --
>>> May All Behappy!!!
>>> Kim Loon Teu
>>> UE=uBW
>>> CCIE 19369
>>> www.kimteu.com
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
>>>
>>> All conditioned phenomena
>>> Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow
>>> Like the dew, or like lightning
>>> You should discern them like this
>>> R;GPSPN*7(#,HgCN;CE]S0#,HgB6R`Hg5g#,S&WwHgJG9[
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anthony,
>>>> You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you did
>>>> not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone who
>>>> signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of charge
>>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>>> that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you stated
>>>> you did.
>>>>
>>>> Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp
>>>>
>> when
>>
>>>> you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November 12
>>>> day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this is
>>>> unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp) we
>>>> allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S
>>>>
>> self-paced
>>
>>>> material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and
>>>>
>> rack
>>
>>>> time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the self-paced
>>>> materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the 24
>>>> days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites
>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>> does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able to
>>>>
>>> get
>>>
>>>> much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing the
>>>>
>>> R&S
>>>
>>>> Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> bootcamp scenarios.
>>>>
>>>> When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing to
>>>> learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going to
>>>> leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and
>>>> attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester in
>>>> college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
>>>> Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school for
>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet.
>>>>
>> The
>>
>>>> normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
>>>> Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics
>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>> Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a
>>>>
>> waiver
>>
>>>> from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked
>>>>
>> my
>>
>>>> way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics with
>>>> Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the same
>>>> time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had
>>>> created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the Physics
>>>> class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first
>>>>
>> week.
>>
>>>> You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the
>>>>
>> standard
>>
>>>> version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after I
>>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>> completed "Calculus I".
>>>>
>>>> The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you
>>>>
>> are
>>
>>>> in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you
>>>>
>> before
>>
>>>> attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
>>>> "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets
>>>> people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
>>>>
>>>> We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are signed
>>>>
>> up
>>
>>>> for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more of
>>>> Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck!
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
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>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: tfaria72@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
>>>> Subject:Narbik coolaid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
>>>>
>> are
>>
>>>> wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
>>>>
>>> received
>>>
>>>> or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
>>>> Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
>>>> people
>>>> said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you
>>>>
>> know
>>
>>>> me.
>>>> I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself
>>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>> the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did
>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>> say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
>>>> thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well
>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>> also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
>>>>
>> It
>>
>>>> looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
>>>>
>>> Narbiks
>>>
>>>> class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class
>>>>
>> so
>>
>>>> much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
>>>>
>> answers
>>
>>>> it.
>>>> The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can
>>>>
>> go
>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>> and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
>>>>
>>> true.
>>>
>>>> So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
>>>>
>> learn
>>
>>>> the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
>>>> before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
>>>> details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
>>>>
>>> five
>>>
>>>> days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
>>>>
>> buy
>>
>>>> something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
>>>>
>>> cost
>>>
>>>> more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I
>>>>
>> am
>>
>>>> not
>>>> saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
>>>> worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
>>>> suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
>>>> confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me
>>>>
>>> do
>>>
>>>> whatever. This is just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
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