From: Hobbs (deadheadblues@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 15:33:46 ART
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think IE should hire Bruce, Val, and Jared as well.......Just a joke
> don't
> get excited man just a joke.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy is
> > really
> > starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one. Its
> unfortunate.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my
> first
> > > trial.
> > >
> > > Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites.
> > I
> > > was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I
> > only
> > > finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during
> > the
> > > bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and
> > > learned
> > > as much as I can.
> > >
> > > After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to
> view
> > > the
> > > VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the
> > next
> > > bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many
> > ways
> > > for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use
> the
> > > bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the
> area
> > > that you are not sure about.
> > >
> > > IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > --
> > > May All Behappy!!!
> > > Kim Loon Teu
> > > UE=uBW
> > > CCIE 19369
> > > www.kimteu.com
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
> > >
> > > All conditioned phenomena
> > > Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow
> > > Like the dew, or like lightning
> > > You should discern them like this
> > > R;GPSPN*7(#,HgCN;CE]S0#,HgB6R`Hg5g#,S&WwHgJG9[
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anthony,
> > > > You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you
> did
> > > > not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone
> who
> > > > signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of
> charge
> > > so
> > > > that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you
> stated
> > > > you did.
> > > >
> > > > Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp
> > when
> > > > you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November
> 12
> > > > day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this
> is
> > > > unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp)
> we
> > > > allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S
> > self-paced
> > > > material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and
> > rack
> > > > time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the
> self-paced
> > > > materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the
> 24
> > > > days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites
> > it
> > > > does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able
> to
> > > get
> > > > much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing
> the
> > > R&S
> > > > Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for
> > the
> > > > bootcamp scenarios.
> > > >
> > > > When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing
> to
> > > > learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going
> to
> > > > leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and
> > > > attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester
> in
> > > > college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled
> > to
> > > > take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
> > > > Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school
> for
> > a
> > > > few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet.
> > The
> > > > normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
> > > > Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics
> > with
> > > > Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a
> > waiver
> > > > from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver
> > to
> > > > get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked
> > my
> > > > way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics
> with
> > > > Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the
> same
> > > > time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had
> > > > created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the
> Physics
> > > > class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first
> > week.
> > > > You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the
> > standard
> > > > version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after
> I
> > > had
> > > > completed "Calculus I".
> > > >
> > > > The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you
> > are
> > > > in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you
> > before
> > > > attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
> > > > "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level
> > of
> > > > candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets
> > > > people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation
> > and
> > > > not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
> > > >
> > > > We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are
> signed
> > up
> > > > for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more
> of
> > > > Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck!
> > > >
> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > > >
> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
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> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: tfaria72@gmail.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
> > > > Subject:Narbik coolaid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
> > are
> > > > wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
> > > received
> > > > or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts
> regarding
> > > > Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
> > > > people
> > > > said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you
> > know
> > > > me.
> > > > I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of
> myself
> > > at
> > > > the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I
> did
> > > not
> > > > say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so.
> I
> > > > thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things.
> Well
> > I
> > > > also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
> > It
> > > > looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
> > > Narbiks
> > > > class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his
> class
> > so
> > > > much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
> > answers
> > > > it.
> > > > The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can
> > go
> > > on
> > > > and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
> > > true.
> > > > So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
> > learn
> > > > the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said
> anything
> > > > before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go
> into
> > > > details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the
> first
> > > five
> > > > days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
> > buy
> > > > something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit
> it
> > > cost
> > > > more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I
> > am
> > > > not
> > > > saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was
> not
> > > > worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one
> I
> > > > suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont
> like
> > > > confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my
> arm
> > > or
> > > > bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban
> me
> > > do
> > > > whatever. This is just my opinion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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