From: Kim teu (kim.teu@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 13:39:54 ART
Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my first
trial.
Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites. I
was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I only
finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during the
bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and learned
as much as I can.
After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to view the
VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the next
bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many ways
for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use the
bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the area
that you are not sure about.
IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
Hope this helps.
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com > wrote:
> Anthony, > You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you did > not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone who > signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of charge so > that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you stated > you did. > > Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp when > you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November 12 > day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this is > unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp) we > allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S self-paced > material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and rack > time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the self-paced > materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the 24 > days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites it > does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able to get > much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing the R&S > Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for the > bootcamp scenarios. > > When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing to > learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going to > leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and > attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester in > college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled to > take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with > Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school for a > few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet. The > normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with > Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics with > Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a waiver > from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver to > get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked my > way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics with > Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the same > time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had > created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the Physics > class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first week. > You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the standard > version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after I had > completed "Calculus I". > > The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you are > in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you before > attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both > "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level of > candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets > people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation and > not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs). > > We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are signed up > for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more of > Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-) > > Good Luck! > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice) > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703 > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tfaria72@gmail.com > Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33 > Subject:Narbik coolaid > > > Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you are > wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way received > or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding > Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of > people > said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you know > me. > I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself at > the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did not > say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I > thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well I > also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE. It > looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in Narbiks > class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class so > much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he answers > it. > The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can go on > and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are true. > So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to learn > the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything > before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into > details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first five > days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money buy > something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it cost > more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I am > not > saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not > worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I > suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like > confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm or > bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me do > whatever. This is just my opinion. > > > Tony > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > > > > ----- End of original message ----- > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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