From: Nate Cielieska (ncielieska@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 14:04:45 ART
There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy is really
starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one. Its unfortunate.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my first
> trial.
>
> Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the prerequisites. I
> was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp, but I only
> finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab during the
> bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class and
> learned
> as much as I can.
>
> After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to view
> the
> VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I could go to the next
> bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so many ways
> for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only use the
> bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to sharpen the area
> that you are not sure about.
>
> IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> May All Behappy!!!
> Kim Loon Teu
> UE=uBW
> CCIE 19369
> www.kimteu.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
>
> All conditioned phenomena
> Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow
> Like the dew, or like lightning
> You should discern them like this
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Anthony,
> > You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that you did
> > not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below. Everyone who
> > signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced E2E free of charge
> so
> > that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you stated
> > you did.
> >
> > Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day bootcamp when
> > you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the November 12
> > day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although this is
> > unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first bootcamp) we
> > allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all of the R&S self-paced
> > material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class and rack
> > time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the self-paced
> > materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got the 24
> > days of class free. But since you came not meeting the prerequisites it
> > does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able to
> get
> > much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing the
> R&S
> > Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready for the
> > bootcamp scenarios.
> >
> > When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or needing to
> > learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course are not going to
> > leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the prerequisites and
> > attending a class would be when I was in college. My first semester in
> > college after serving in the military for a few years I was scheduled to
> > take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
> > Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school for a
> > few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet. The
> > normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
> > Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the "Physics with
> > Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a waiver
> > from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a waiver to
> > get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I talked my
> > way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics with
> > Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the same
> > time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say I had
> > created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop the Physics
> > class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp after the first week.
> > You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the standard
> > version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester after I
> had
> > completed "Calculus I".
> >
> > The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp you are
> > in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you before
> > attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
> > "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same level of
> > candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp targets
> > people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their preparation and
> > not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
> >
> > We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are signed up
> > for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more of
> > Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tfaria72@gmail.com
> > Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
> > Subject:Narbik coolaid
> >
> >
> > Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you are
> > wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
> received
> > or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
> > Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
> > people
> > said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you know
> > me.
> > I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself
> at
> > the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did
> not
> > say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
> > thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well I
> > also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE. It
> > looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
> Narbiks
> > class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class so
> > much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he answers
> > it.
> > The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can go
> on
> > and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
> true.
> > So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to learn
> > the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
> > before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
> > details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
> five
> > days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money buy
> > something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
> cost
> > more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I am
> > not
> > saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
> > worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
> > suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
> > confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm
> or
> > bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me
> do
> > whatever. This is just my opinion.
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
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