From: ccievoice1 (ccievoice1@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 12:37:51 ART
Hmm,
This reminded me some times back, there was a "not-happy" user posting his
"not-happy comments" on this mailing about vendor X's voice product. Now we
have another "not-happy" user posting his "not-happy comments" regarding
vendor Y.
Well, there are many vendors out there with their very own unique teaching
method to assist candidate on getting their CCIE Number. And, not everyone
can adopt and feeling comfortable with each unique teaching method. So,
evaluate each vendor carefully. If X don't work for you, but Y does then
just focus on Y :-) No point slam on any vendor ... ...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Marc La Porte <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> If you're honestly did not want to slam IE or air the dirty laundry, then a
> better option would have been to just unicast the Brian's and Petr instead
> of posting your opinion on a public mailing list. Now, I am not saying that
> you cannot be satisfied with their product, and you are in your right to
> vent that, but do that personally not publicly. Secondly, slamming IE on
> this mailing list probably won't win you much followers as a lot of people
> use IE products (like me) and hold the Brian's in high regard and are very
> satisfied with their products and their level of care and involvement in
> helping people to pass the CCIE.
>
> Anyways, just my 2cts
>
> Marc
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Anthony Faria <tfaria72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL I wasn't going to go into details but I can if you want. I will air
> > this
> > out in the open. The fact i did not have time to prepare was a problem
> was
> > with budget from my employer and your sales team did not want to move my
> > date. I did the bootcamp material. I also had the cod on disc so how do
> you
> > know if I did 5 %? I did not do the Mock labs which I said nothing about
> > every one liked those. So before you come out and tell these people this
> > get
> > your facts straight. I am not trying to slam you but you need to get your
> > facts straight. Like I said I did not air all the dirty laundry I can if
> > you
> > want. If you want to talk more please Unicast me. Or if you want to
> > continue
> > to try to slam me we can air this all out in the open. I was giving my
> > opinion I did not go into details but I can if you want. How come they
> sent
> > you to email this by the way?
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Brian McGahan <
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > > Not to take anything away from what you said below, but it would be
> only
> > > fair if you also included the fact that you knew coming into our 12 day
> > > Bootcamp that you were not even close to being prepared for it.
> > Although,
> > > as you know, I wasn't present for the class due to other teaching
> > > obligations, Brian and Petr informed me that you opted to do the R&S
> > Volume
> > > I labs the week of class over the Bootcamp material. The problem with
> > this
> > > approach is that the Bootcamp material is designed for people who are
> > > looking for that last 20% of their preparation, and not the first 20%,
> > which
> > > is what the Volume 1 labs are targeted for.
> > >
> > > Also a prerequisite for attending the 12 day Bootcamp is to complete
> both
> > > weeks of our Advanced Technologies Class-on-Demand. The reason we
> highly
> > > suggest candidates to do this is that there's no possible way that you
> > can
> > > learn everything in a 5 day or even a 12 day class. You need to have a
> > very
> > > strong background in the "why" of the technologies before you try to
> > apply
> > > the "how". Reviewing your account I can see that you had only viewed
> > less
> > > than 5% of the CoD before attending the Bootcamp.
> > >
> > > Once again not to take away from what you are getting this week, but
> the
> > > the two Bootcamps (Narbik's and ours) aren't positioned as the same
> > > offerings in the market. If you read the description for the class
> > posted
> > > on our website it says:
> > >
> > > "Audience:
> > > CCIE Routing & Switching lab candidates who are within two months of
> > their
> > > lab exam. Ideally students will take this Bootcamp and appear for the
> > real
> > > lab the following week. Because this is an advanced Bootcamp,
> > introductory
> > > material will not be covered and students are expected to have attended
> > the
> > > Advanced Technologies Class Online or watched the Advanced Technologies
> > > Class-on-Demand along with having completed at least the first five
> > Routing
> > > & Switching Volume II Workbook labs prior to attending."
> > >
> > > For example, for candidates attending this class we assume that they do
> > not
> > > need a 10 hour lecture on OSPF, since they should have already spent
> vast
> > > amounts of time in their preparation reading about how OSPF works,
> > watching
> > > our CoD that explains live on the CLI how and why OSPF works, and
> > configured
> > > OSPF themselves on the CLI extensively.
> > >
> > > You took our Bootcamp with the intention of retaking it again at a
> later
> > > date, which of course we will still honor, and I would love to meet you
> > in,
> > > however I think this is counterproductive. Personally I think it would
> > have
> > > been better to start at the foundation, work through that material
> > (workbook
> > > volume 1, CoD), and then compile a large list of questions that you
> would
> > > like to bring up with the instructor in real-time during the Bootcamp.
> > >
> > > The point in the end is that there are no shortcuts to passing this
> exam.
> > > The candidates that consistently fail the exam over and over and over,
> > and
> > > we have met many that have hit 10+ attempts before passing, are the
> ones
> > > that refuse to step back and see the forest for the trees. Unless you
> > take
> > > the technological prerequisites for the exam seriously and evaluate
> > yourself
> > > honestly, you'll find yourself facing a $1350 lunch, and a $50 rack
> > rental
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > Please feel free to contact me offline to discuss this in more detail.
> > You
> > > can reach me at this email address or at 877-224-8987 x 705.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> > >
> > > Anthony Faria wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
> are
> > > wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
> > received
> > > or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
> > > Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
> > people
> > > said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you
> know
> > me.
> > > I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself
> > at
> > > the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did
> > not
> > > say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
> > > thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well
> I
> > > also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
> It
> > > looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
> > Narbiks
> > > class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class
> so
> > > much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
> answers
> > it.
> > > The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can
> go
> > on
> > > and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
> > true.
> > > So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
> learn
> > > the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
> > > before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
> > > details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
> > five
> > > days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
> buy
> > > something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
> > cost
> > > more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I
> am
> > not
> > > saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
> > > worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
> > > suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
> > > confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm
> > or
> > > bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me
> > do
> > > whatever. This is just my opinion.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
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