From: Anthony Faria (tfaria72@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 12:42:48 ART
You know I never said the products were not good. I never said I did not
like them( I thought they were pretty cool guys). Maybee I got a bad
bootcamp that week. I was just giving my opinion of those 5 days. I am
probably going to get hate mail. I felt I should let people know my exp. I
am not going to argue the points this will be my last post slam all you want
I need to study.
Tony
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Marc La Porte <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> If you're honestly did not want to slam IE or air the dirty laundry, then a
> better option would have been to just unicast the Brian's and Petr instead
> of posting your opinion on a public mailing list. Now, I am not saying that
> you cannot be satisfied with their product, and you are in your right to
> vent that, but do that personally not publicly. Secondly, slamming IE on
> this mailing list probably won't win you much followers as a lot of people
> use IE products (like me) and hold the Brian's in high regard and are very
> satisfied with their products and their level of care and involvement in
> helping people to pass the CCIE.
>
> Anyways, just my 2cts
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Anthony Faria <tfaria72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> LOL I wasn't going to go into details but I can if you want. I will air
>> this
>> out in the open. The fact i did not have time to prepare was a problem was
>> with budget from my employer and your sales team did not want to move my
>> date. I did the bootcamp material. I also had the cod on disc so how do
>> you
>> know if I did 5 %? I did not do the Mock labs which I said nothing about
>> every one liked those. So before you come out and tell these people this
>> get
>> your facts straight. I am not trying to slam you but you need to get your
>> facts straight. Like I said I did not air all the dirty laundry I can if
>> you
>> want. If you want to talk more please Unicast me. Or if you want to
>> continue
>> to try to slam me we can air this all out in the open. I was giving my
>> opinion I did not go into details but I can if you want. How come they
>> sent
>> you to email this by the way?
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Brian McGahan <
>> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Anthony,
>> >
>> > Not to take anything away from what you said below, but it would be only
>> > fair if you also included the fact that you knew coming into our 12 day
>> > Bootcamp that you were not even close to being prepared for it.
>> Although,
>> > as you know, I wasn't present for the class due to other teaching
>> > obligations, Brian and Petr informed me that you opted to do the R&S
>> Volume
>> > I labs the week of class over the Bootcamp material. The problem with
>> this
>> > approach is that the Bootcamp material is designed for people who are
>> > looking for that last 20% of their preparation, and not the first 20%,
>> which
>> > is what the Volume 1 labs are targeted for.
>> >
>> > Also a prerequisite for attending the 12 day Bootcamp is to complete
>> both
>> > weeks of our Advanced Technologies Class-on-Demand. The reason we
>> highly
>> > suggest candidates to do this is that there's no possible way that you
>> can
>> > learn everything in a 5 day or even a 12 day class. You need to have a
>> very
>> > strong background in the "why" of the technologies before you try to
>> apply
>> > the "how". Reviewing your account I can see that you had only viewed
>> less
>> > than 5% of the CoD before attending the Bootcamp.
>> >
>> > Once again not to take away from what you are getting this week, but the
>> > the two Bootcamps (Narbik's and ours) aren't positioned as the same
>> > offerings in the market. If you read the description for the class
>> posted
>> > on our website it says:
>> >
>> > "Audience:
>> > CCIE Routing & Switching lab candidates who are within two months of
>> their
>> > lab exam. Ideally students will take this Bootcamp and appear for the
>> real
>> > lab the following week. Because this is an advanced Bootcamp,
>> introductory
>> > material will not be covered and students are expected to have attended
>> the
>> > Advanced Technologies Class Online or watched the Advanced Technologies
>> > Class-on-Demand along with having completed at least the first five
>> Routing
>> > & Switching Volume II Workbook labs prior to attending."
>> >
>> > For example, for candidates attending this class we assume that they do
>> not
>> > need a 10 hour lecture on OSPF, since they should have already spent
>> vast
>> > amounts of time in their preparation reading about how OSPF works,
>> watching
>> > our CoD that explains live on the CLI how and why OSPF works, and
>> configured
>> > OSPF themselves on the CLI extensively.
>> >
>> > You took our Bootcamp with the intention of retaking it again at a later
>> > date, which of course we will still honor, and I would love to meet you
>> in,
>> > however I think this is counterproductive. Personally I think it would
>> have
>> > been better to start at the foundation, work through that material
>> (workbook
>> > volume 1, CoD), and then compile a large list of questions that you
>> would
>> > like to bring up with the instructor in real-time during the Bootcamp.
>> >
>> > The point in the end is that there are no shortcuts to passing this
>> exam.
>> > The candidates that consistently fail the exam over and over and over,
>> and
>> > we have met many that have hit 10+ attempts before passing, are the ones
>> > that refuse to step back and see the forest for the trees. Unless you
>> take
>> > the technological prerequisites for the exam seriously and evaluate
>> yourself
>> > honestly, you'll find yourself facing a $1350 lunch, and a $50 rack
>> rental
>> > ;)
>> >
>> > Please feel free to contact me offline to discuss this in more detail.
>> You
>> > can reach me at this email address or at 877-224-8987 x 705.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>> >
>> > Anthony Faria wrote:
>> >
>> > Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you
>> are
>> > wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
>> received
>> > or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
>> > Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of
>> people
>> > said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you know
>> me.
>> > I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself
>> at
>> > the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did
>> not
>> > say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
>> > thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well I
>> > also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE. It
>> > looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
>> Narbiks
>> > class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class
>> so
>> > much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he answers
>> it.
>> > The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can go
>> on
>> > and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are
>> true.
>> > So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to
>> learn
>> > the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
>> > before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
>> > details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first
>> five
>> > days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money
>> buy
>> > something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it
>> cost
>> > more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I am
>> not
>> > saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
>> > worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
>> > suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
>> > confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm
>> or
>> > bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me
>> do
>> > whatever. This is just my opinion.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
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