From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2008 - 13:26:34 ART
Sounds feasible that there could be. Cisco would be wise to do such. They
ought to bump the requirements as well. X amount of years of experience,
etc...
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> There is no interview... that was a myth right????
>
> Who would legitimately pass the lab, and fail some interview (perhaps
> because they don't speak well or are nervous, then be denied a number)
>
> Lets leaving the trolling to the CCNP board!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Wes
> Stevens
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:49 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>
> I was told the pass rate in bejing was extreamely high till the interview
> exam was implemented. Then it dropped back to the 20% range.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> To: Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com>
> Cc: john matijevic <john.matijevic@gmail.com>; Tony Varriale
> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; Gary Duncanson <garyduncanson@btinternet.com
> >;
> Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:07:43 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>
> Not to belabor the point. Jared, Narbik and others were quiet eloquent and
> to the point.
>
> Yes you can probably eventually pass the CCIE Lab on your own with little
> or
> no use of any workbooks.
>
> It was done in the past by a few people still here to tell the tale today.
>
> Would you want to? Ouch! Maybe not.
>
> I've found the CCIE Lab Exam to be littered with lots of things that one
> can
> find on one's own but even reading the design guides a few times and poring
> through the command references all the while typing at the CLI would just
> take an enormous amount of attention to detail - very much quality
> attention
> to details.
>
> Now one could pass just learning the specifics on putting making a pod
> work. I think this is possible. But I do not think it is the most
> practical way to go about it.
>
> There are a lot of very intelligent people on-list and off-list who take
> more than one trip to the CCIE Lunch Buffet. There's a reason. Maybe we
> are all deluded... or maybe we just did not pay enough attention the first
> time.
>
> Today lots of bloggers are passing of their reported first attempt. I'd
> like to see if Cisco acknowledges this % of improvement. I've heard some
> people claim their first attempt and yet they say elsewhere they went some
> years before, etc. Not quite the first attempt. :)
>
> It may be possible, but it may not be feasible.
>
> There's a certain school of thought that firmly is entrenched in the idea
> that this lab is very much an insider's exam.
>
> Knowing what I know, who I know and knew, and a few long years now with
> hindsight being 20/20, I'd say that while it may not be intended to have
> been an insider's exam, it may well have come to that.
>
> I do think that if one were quite experienced with a wide variety of
> technologies, that the lab difficulty diminishes with the inverse of one's
> experiences with any given technology tested.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ovais: Everybody's path IS different :)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Andrew,
> > > The author of the BGP and OSPF Command Reference books is name is
> > > Parkhurst,
> > > I had the pleasure of meeting him personally when I went for my lab.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Tony Varriale <
> > tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Comments inline.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Gary
> > > > Duncanson
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:24 PM
> > > > To: Ovais Iqbal
> > > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
> > > >
> > > > >Vendor products are certainly popular, however it is something of an
> > > urban
> > > > >myth that they are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and
> bootcamp
> > > > >labbooks have been around in one form or another for almost as long
> as
> > > the
> > > > >CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a
> > > > greater
> > > >
> > > > >or lesser extent by just about every CCIE minted for years now.
> > Practice
> > > > >labs do not have to come from vendors though.
> > > >
> > > > This is obviously true for >= than the mid old-schoolers. Before
> > > > ccwhocamp,
> > > > the primary learning experience was formal training and/or OTJ.
> > > >
> > > > The mid old-schoolers had 4 primary outlets: 1) ccwhocamp 2) own
> > > > experience/dev 3) groupstudy lab test answer posting 4) formal
> training
> > > >
> > > > I can assure you that #3 was a HUGE explosion in the CCIE process
> > during
> > > > this time frame.
> > > >
> > > > >Cisco Press have done practice
> > > > >labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie has practice labs
> as
> > > > well.
> > > > >There was also 'fatkid' once upon a time but I digress :)
> > > >
> > > > Cisco Press was a factor after mid old-school, IMHO.
> > > > w
> > > > Fatkid? Where is fatty (I forgot his name...darnit)? I'm very aware
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > labs that were "offered". I'm also aware of what was available on
> the
> > > lab
> > > > exam in 2000 (or before). And, I'm not the only one.
> > > >
> > > > >In terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use,
> you
> > > > still
> > > > >have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint and get
> > to
> > > a
> > > > >point where you can recall the *right* solution to meet particular
> > > > >requirements.
> > > >
> > > > I'll disagree here. Any idea of why certain regions of the world are
> > > > moving
> > > > towards an interview before you sit?
> > > >
> > > > >Vendor materials are helpful but
> > > > >not a magic bullet. You have to make the effort. Many people have
> > > invested
> > > > >lots of money in multiple vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor
> > > > product
> > > >
> > > > >wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to
> > > > >understand it all.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously you have to have the capability. But, the amount of
> > > organization
> > > > and material offered today from CCIE vendors is absolutely amazing.
> If
> > > you
> > > > consider price too, it's mind blowing.
> > > >
> > > > >Cisco Press books and CCO offer an almost endless source of
> > > > >topologies you can lab up and play with at home and I recommend you
> do
> > > so.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, Cisco Press is definitely the pinnacle of Cisconess. But,
> > consider
> > > > this. There are
> > > > some CP books that just don't measure up...some are way outside of
> the
> > > > acceptable variation.
> > > >
> > > > Tv
> > > >
> > > > PS - Brad, no hard feelings on the whocamp stuff. I didn't invent
> > that,
> > > I
> > > > just thought it was funny. :)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ovais Iqbal" <ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM
> > > > Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are
> > helping
> > > > > CCIEs a
> > > > > lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
> > > > > mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all
> > of
> > > > > them, x
> > > > > months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just
> want
> > > to
> > > > > know
> > > > > something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these
> > > workbooks
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > > can
> > > > > someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use
> any
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any
> more,
> > > no
> > > > > offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell
> lot
> > > > > increase
> > > > > in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and
> more
> > > ppl
> > > > > are
> > > > > inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the
> lab
> > > > > without
> > > > > using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs,
> i
> > > > > respect
> > > > > them all :-) ),
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can
> > he/she
> > > > > shed
> > > > > some light on his/her preparation ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
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