From: Tony Varriale (tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 - 19:19:42 ART
Comments inline.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:24 PM
To: Ovais Iqbal
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>Vendor products are certainly popular, however it is something of an urban
>myth that they are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and bootcamp
>labbooks have been around in one form or another for almost as long as the
>CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a greater
>or lesser extent by just about every CCIE minted for years now. Practice
>labs do not have to come from vendors though.
This is obviously true for >= than the mid old-schoolers. Before ccwhocamp,
the primary learning experience was formal training and/or OTJ.
The mid old-schoolers had 4 primary outlets: 1) ccwhocamp 2) own
experience/dev 3) groupstudy lab test answer posting 4) formal training
I can assure you that #3 was a HUGE explosion in the CCIE process during
this time frame.
>Cisco Press have done practice
>labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie has practice labs as
well.
>There was also 'fatkid' once upon a time but I digress :)
Cisco Press was a factor after mid old-school, IMHO.
w
Fatkid? Where is fatty (I forgot his name...darnit)? I'm very aware of the
labs that were "offered". I'm also aware of what was available on the lab
exam in 2000 (or before). And, I'm not the only one.
>In terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use, you
still
>have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint and get to a
>point where you can recall the *right* solution to meet particular
>requirements.
I'll disagree here. Any idea of why certain regions of the world are moving
towards an interview before you sit?
>Vendor materials are helpful but
>not a magic bullet. You have to make the effort. Many people have invested
>lots of money in multiple vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor product
>wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to
>understand it all.
Obviously you have to have the capability. But, the amount of organization
and material offered today from CCIE vendors is absolutely amazing. If you
consider price too, it's mind blowing.
>Cisco Press books and CCO offer an almost endless source of
>topologies you can lab up and play with at home and I recommend you do so.
Sure, Cisco Press is definitely the pinnacle of Cisconess. But, consider
this. There are
some CP books that just don't measure up...some are way outside of the
acceptable variation.
Tv
PS - Brad, no hard feelings on the whocamp stuff. I didn't invent that, I
just thought it was funny. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais Iqbal" <ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
> Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are helping
> CCIEs a
> lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
> mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all of
> them, x
> months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just want to
> know
> something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these workbooks ?
> can
> someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use any of
> the
> vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more, no
> offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell lot
> increase
> in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and more ppl
> are
> inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the lab
> without
> using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs, i
> respect
> them all :-) ),
>
> Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can he/she
> shed
> some light on his/her preparation ??
>
> Thanks
>
>
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