From: Andrew Dempsey (apdccie@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 - 17:43:16 ART
Just do the CCIE Storage. Also saying that an increase in CCIE's equates to
the test not being a challenge is a over simplification that ignores many
other variables.
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Gary Duncanson <garyduncanson@btinternet.com
> wrote:
> Vendor products are certainly popular, however it is something of an urban
> myth that they are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and bootcamp
> labbooks have been around in one form or another for almost as long as the
> CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a greater
> or lesser extent by just about every CCIE minted for years now. Practice
> labs do not have to come from vendors though. Cisco Press have done practice
> labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie has practice labs as well.
> There was also 'fatkid' once upon a time but I digress :)
>
> In terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use, you
> still have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint and get
> to a point where you can recall the *right* solution to meet particular
> requirements. This is certainly a challenge in terms of demands on your time
> and to some extent your intellect. Your elapsed time to complete the lab
> footprint is a variable. The demands on your time and energy elsewhere will
> have an impact on that. If you hold a demanding job down and have family
> commitments like myself for example this has a bearing on how aggressive or
> flexible your study schedule needs to be. Vendor materials are helpful but
> not a magic bullet. You have to make the effort. Many people have invested
> lots of money in multiple vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor product
> wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to
> understand it all. You have to find that in yourself. Any vendor would
> advise you to do your own research and work from a fairly wide range of
> sources. Cisco Press books and CCO offer an almost endless source of
> topologies you can lab up and play with at home and I recommend you do so.
> That type of foundation learning will help you get more out of vendor
> labbooks should you choose to invest in them. Books and Vendor labbooks
> both provide tutorial in technologies. Lots of people use vendor labbooks
> as sort of a study framework to build up confidence in layering technologies
> together through clearly defined lab exercises and at the same time
> referring to a library of books and CCO. Nothing wrong with that. Workbooks
> save a lot of time in trying to come up with your own scenarios to practice,
> although later on you will probably be doing that once you get up a head of
> steam. For example today I wanted to practice BGP best path scenarios,
> rather than find workbook lab X where it was covered and load the whole
> thing up and practice the technique there I reconfigured a Duggan lab to
> provide multipath eBGP peerings and added another physical link. Worked a
> treat and I got more out of the exercise I think.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ovais Iqbal" <ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM
> Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>
>
> Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are helping
>> CCIEs a
>> lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
>> mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all of
>> them, x
>> months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just want to
>> know
>> something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these workbooks ?
>> can
>> someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use any of
>> the
>> vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more, no
>> offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell lot
>> increase
>> in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and more ppl
>> are
>> inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the lab
>> without
>> using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs, i
>> respect
>> them all :-) ),
>>
>> Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can he/she
>> shed
>> some light on his/her preparation ??
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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