From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Wed Oct 01 2008 - 12:26:13 ART
I was reading one story that all this is a Shamalyan-esque ending for the
Wall Street executives, or those who don't follow M. Night, kind of like
The ending of "The Usual Suspects" where it only makes complete sense once
you look back at everything that was said and done.
The bankers are "Verbal Klint" and the taxpayer/congress are "Agent Kujan"
They PLANNED to write bad Mortgages for $800k to pizza delivery guys,
securitize them into bonds, trade the bonds to their Biz School alumni at
other banks/funds, create credit default swaps, insure those swaps, create
more junk bonds out of those swaps, leverage the whole thing a few dozen
times up, buy US treasuries, use the treasuries as collateral for more
bonds, rinse, change the "L.P.'s" name from "capital management" to
"advisors" to "Partners", a few times to bring in new institutional
investors, rinse, wash, repeat, etc.-
BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WOULD GET BAILED OUT WHEN IT ALL COLLAPSED!!!!
This way THEY GET PAID TWICE! Once from the above antics, the second time
when they fold the taxpayer/congress over the bed in the upstairs guest
bedroom and sell all the junk paper they hold back to Uncle Sam!
You didn't think Wharton/Tepper/Sloan/Stern/Duke business schools charged
$70k a year tuition because they didn't teach you how to rip people off and
not go to jail, did you Gary?
Setup your auction alerts on Ebay... We may just get our second hand, half
off "Platinum 5960P annual calendars chronographs" yet! This fun is just
beginning!
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:45 AM
To: swm@emanon.com
Cc: Joseph Brunner; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
Would it be possible if this bill doesn't get through Congress? I wonder if
700 billion for something like healthcare would generate so much effort.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; "'Joseph Brunner'"
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
> HA! While that would be politically interesting, I'm not entirely sure
> there is enough power around the current administration to feasibly let
> that
> happen.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:13 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
>
> Does this tome include some event occuring giving the US government
> grounds
> to declare martial law and cancel the forthcoming elections?
>
> At least that's what I hear some people saying.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Luca Hall'" <lhall@setnine.com>
> Cc: "'Pavel Bykov'" <slidersv@gmail.com>; <kmoorman@gmail.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>
>
>> Have you read the book "the creature from Jekyll island" ?
>>
>> We are beginning to see the last chapter play out... it couldn't come
>> to soon. If you have read the book you would be excited and not
>> surprised at all the way this is playing out!
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Luca Hall
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:58 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: 'Pavel Bykov'; kmoorman@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>>
>> i hope you don't really think this.
>>
>> treasury bonds are how we borrow money.
>> a deficit is a bad thing.
>> banknotes are worthless paper with no gold/silver to back them up.
>>
>>
>> so from the above i am guessing your being sarcastic ;)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> To: 'Pavel Bykov' <slidersv@gmail.com>, kmoorman@gmail.com
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>>
>> That's absolutely ridiculous Pavel.
>>
>> The US is the world's largest exporter of Treasury Bonds. We are the
>> world's leading producer of Deficits, and last year we outpaced the
>> entire industrialized world in defense spending! You're also
>> forgetting the US has the world's largest proven reserves of
>> banknotes.
>>
>> How could such a BOOMING economy go into a depression?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Pavel Bykov
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:04 AM
>> To: kmoorman@gmail.com
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
>>
>> So all those cold war nuclear fallout shelters will have their purpose
>> after all. But I really wouldn't give in to panic just yet. Besides,
>> we can always just go live on a farm in rural area for a while. You
>> know, take a brake from digitalism, get in shape, improve health,
>> raise some children.
>> It's all good. And it sure is better that standing in 10 mile long
>> line in front of unemployment office.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM, <kmoorman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> from what i have been reading in some "Non controlled" investing
>>> materials that the US is headed for another depression worst than the
>>> 1930s in the next couple of years.. and with all thats happening with
>>> the govt not letting these businesses suffer from their mistakes this
>>> writer was right..
>>>
>>> but to answer you question.. depends on what you growing
>>>
>>>
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Self-Reliance_Handbook/Vegetable_Growing_
>> Guide
>>>
>>> the readiness to be picked/used is from 30 to 90 days
>>>
>>> there are some great canning guides out there as well
>>>
>>> http://www.pickyourown.org/allaboutcanning.htm
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Pavel Bykov
>> -------------------------------------------------
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