From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 30 2008 - 22:57:32 ART
I recommend Narbik's class. Just kidding please do not get
excited............just a joke....
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eh... funny OT thread. First the topic CCNP, then CCIE written, now it's
> CCNA..., so what's next? N+? I'm sure some teacher have good course of Math
> 101 :)
> But since it's the problem of "paper certs" we are talking about, I think a
> lot of us know situation with that. That's why in the time I felt strongest
> about it I compiled a list of most frequent excusesI heard and posted
> reponses to them on my site. Same goes for CertGuard, although I am not
> sure
> what the situation with them now after that Ethan debacle.
>
> --
> Pavel Bykov
> -------------------------------------------------
> Stop the braindumps!
> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I actually lied earlier by mistake- 10 minutes after I posted that my
> class
> > was off, the school's owner convinced me he has found enough serious
> > candidates to make the class again. Out of respect for Paul, and GS I
> won't
> > promote any classes here, but I'm sure you guys get the point about
> > testking
> > and all and how its best to start the Grueling hands-on early when your
> not
> > dropping $3000 each time you drive 1000 miles to North Carolina or flying
> > 2900 to SJ! (LOL)
> >
> > Chris Bryant's material is great. My former noc staff at my last full
> time
> > job read his materials exhaustively for their CCNA studies and they were
> > delighted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:37 PM
> > To: Muhammad Nasim
> > Cc: Andrew Dempsey; Joseph Brunner; Scott Morris; Thornton, John A. CTR;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions
> >
> > I don't want to sound too biased these days. But my friend JB does have
> a
> > point - there are a lot of people simply passing exams without the
> > requisite
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Now... JB shared with my his CCNP labs and they are pretty decent and do
> > cover the materials at least from a practical stand point.
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > Anyone ever taken adavantage of Chris Bryant? He's got some demo's for
> > CCNA/CCNP level material that is explained in an easy to use / practical
> > hands-on perspsective. Clean and crisp.
> >
> > He does not cover all the CCIE points in his lectures, but he does seem
> to
> > cover enough to make anyone who is having doubts go over and take a look.
> >
> > He said he had a mision and I think he achieved his mission statement.
> >
> > Others will have an 800-pound gorilla on their hands if this guy ever
> > decides to jump on the CCIE bandwagon.
> >
> > Right now, he does CCNA/CCNP and does it well from my take. Many little
> > things asked on this list daily are delivered very well by Mr. Bryant.
> >
> >
> > So if you did take the written and the clock is ticking... see for
> > yourself, he has free demos.
> >
> > No. I do not work for him. I bought his CCNA Advantage once upon a time
> > while I was renewing it. I recently had a look for myself at his demos
> and
> > was impressed.
> >
> > =====================
> >
> > There are other vendors here who's packages offer a similar content to
> his
> > materials.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Muhammad Nasim
> > <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > But in my case I love teaching I love to give whatever knowledge I have
> > and
> > > whatever also I can learn I teach very loudly with lot of emotions.
> > > Teaching HONESTLY is really a difficult JOB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/9/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > I completely agree with Joe that a real CCNP bootcamp would be very
> > > useful
> > > > for a lot of people. For the majority of peopleand various reasons
> > the
> > > > CCIE level will just never be a priority. However that does not mean
> > > they
> > > > do not want to learn. I also unfortunately know quite a few people
> in
> > > that
> > > > many people who have gone to non mainstream CCIE vendor bootcamps end
> > up
> > > > with essentially a $4000 testking or 5 $800 rack sessions.
> > > >
> > > > If the original poster is already at a CCIE Written Level then I
> agree
> > > with
> > > > Scott that why take a CCNP bootcamp and not push yourself to see how
> > far
> > > you
> > > > can go. All of the vendors I know of have retake policies so I would
> > say
> > > be
> > > > ready going in, but if you werent quite you can retake and at least
> you
> > > know
> > > > what the next level you need to get to is.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Joseph Brunner <
> > > joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Yes, because I stopped teaching... ;) I can promote anything I want
> > that
> > > >> no
> > > >> longer exists!
> > > >>
> > > >> I have moved on...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I felt like I was speaking Greek too many times to be a teacher...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > >> Muhammad Nasim
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:23 AM
> > > >> To: Joseph Brunner
> > > >> Cc: Scott Morris; Thornton, John A. CTR; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions
> > > >>
> > > >> hey Paul are we allow to do Serious Marketting here or Joe got
> special
> > > >> privilieges : )
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2008/9/30 Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Then you have never been to my CCNP bootcamp... it's probably
> harder
> > > >> than
> > > >> > how many "CCIE's" use the tech in the real world in most
> networks...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I try make CCNP labs for a real CCNP who can independently operate
> > and
> > > >> > troubleshoot a large live complex network, with vpn, multicast,
> qos,
> > > >> etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm thinking Scott, many guys use testking or actualtests for the
> > CCIE
> > > >> > written, bloat their ego's, then hit the gear for their lab
> studies,
> > > >> only
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > find out they don't have any chance at even doing the IE level
> > labs...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -Joe
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > >> > Scott Morris
> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:58 AM
> > > >> > To: 'Thornton, John A. CTR'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> > Subject: RE: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Would there be a point in going to a CCNP bootcamp after you have
> > > passed
> > > >> > your CCIE R&S Written exam, which you stated in order to join the
> > CCIE
> > > >> Lab
> > > >> > mailing list?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Whether it's Netmetric Solutions or not, I'm not sure it's worth
> the
> > > >> > time/money, but that just my opinion.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Scott
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > >> > Thornton, John A. CTR
> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:12 AM
> > > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> > Subject: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions
> > > >> >
> > > >> > All,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm seriously considering going to netmetric-solutions CCNP boot
> > camp
> > > >> and
> > > >> > was wondering if anyone has heard, or experienced, anything
> good/bad
> > > >> with
> > > >> > there training.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > John
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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> > >
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