From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 30 2008 - 22:12:27 ART
Eh... funny OT thread. First the topic CCNP, then CCIE written, now it's
CCNA..., so what's next? N+? I'm sure some teacher have good course of Math
101 :)
But since it's the problem of "paper certs" we are talking about, I think a
lot of us know situation with that. That's why in the time I felt strongest
about it I compiled a list of most frequent excusesI heard and posted
reponses to them on my site. Same goes for CertGuard, although I am not sure
what the situation with them now after that Ethan debacle.
-- Pavel Bykov ------------------------------------------------- Stop the braindumps! http://www.stopbraindumps.com/On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> I actually lied earlier by mistake- 10 minutes after I posted that my class > was off, the school's owner convinced me he has found enough serious > candidates to make the class again. Out of respect for Paul, and GS I won't > promote any classes here, but I'm sure you guys get the point about > testking > and all and how its best to start the Grueling hands-on early when your not > dropping $3000 each time you drive 1000 miles to North Carolina or flying > 2900 to SJ! (LOL) > > Chris Bryant's material is great. My former noc staff at my last full time > job read his materials exhaustively for their CCNA studies and they were > delighted. > > Thanks, > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Darby Weaver > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:37 PM > To: Muhammad Nasim > Cc: Andrew Dempsey; Joseph Brunner; Scott Morris; Thornton, John A. CTR; > ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions > > I don't want to sound too biased these days. But my friend JB does have a > point - there are a lot of people simply passing exams without the > requisite > knowledge. > > Now... JB shared with my his CCNP labs and they are pretty decent and do > cover the materials at least from a practical stand point. > > ------------- > > Anyone ever taken adavantage of Chris Bryant? He's got some demo's for > CCNA/CCNP level material that is explained in an easy to use / practical > hands-on perspsective. Clean and crisp. > > He does not cover all the CCIE points in his lectures, but he does seem to > cover enough to make anyone who is having doubts go over and take a look. > > He said he had a mision and I think he achieved his mission statement. > > Others will have an 800-pound gorilla on their hands if this guy ever > decides to jump on the CCIE bandwagon. > > Right now, he does CCNA/CCNP and does it well from my take. Many little > things asked on this list daily are delivered very well by Mr. Bryant. > > > So if you did take the written and the clock is ticking... see for > yourself, he has free demos. > > No. I do not work for him. I bought his CCNA Advantage once upon a time > while I was renewing it. I recently had a look for myself at his demos and > was impressed. > > ===================== > > There are other vendors here who's packages offer a similar content to his > materials. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Muhammad Nasim > <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote: > > > But in my case I love teaching I love to give whatever knowledge I have > and > > whatever also I can learn I teach very loudly with lot of emotions. > > Teaching HONESTLY is really a difficult JOB. > > > > > > > > 2008/9/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> > > > > > I completely agree with Joe that a real CCNP bootcamp would be very > > useful > > > for a lot of people. For the majority of peopleand various reasons > the > > > CCIE level will just never be a priority. However that does not mean > > they > > > do not want to learn. I also unfortunately know quite a few people in > > that > > > many people who have gone to non mainstream CCIE vendor bootcamps end > up > > > with essentially a $4000 testking or 5 $800 rack sessions. > > > > > > If the original poster is already at a CCIE Written Level then I agree > > with > > > Scott that why take a CCNP bootcamp and not push yourself to see how > far > > you > > > can go. All of the vendors I know of have retake policies so I would > say > > be > > > ready going in, but if you werent quite you can retake and at least you > > know > > > what the next level you need to get to is. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Joseph Brunner < > > joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, because I stopped teaching... ;) I can promote anything I want > that > > >> no > > >> longer exists! > > >> > > >> I have moved on... > > >> > > >> > > >> I felt like I was speaking Greek too many times to be a teacher... > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > >> Muhammad Nasim > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:23 AM > > >> To: Joseph Brunner > > >> Cc: Scott Morris; Thornton, John A. CTR; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > >> Subject: Re: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions > > >> > > >> hey Paul are we allow to do Serious Marketting here or Joe got special > > >> privilieges : ) > > >> > > >> > > >> 2008/9/30 Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> > > >> > > >> > Then you have never been to my CCNP bootcamp... it's probably harder > > >> than > > >> > how many "CCIE's" use the tech in the real world in most networks... > > >> > > > >> > I try make CCNP labs for a real CCNP who can independently operate > and > > >> > troubleshoot a large live complex network, with vpn, multicast, qos, > > >> etc. > > >> > > > >> > I'm thinking Scott, many guys use testking or actualtests for the > CCIE > > >> > written, bloat their ego's, then hit the gear for their lab studies, > > >> only > > >> > to > > >> > find out they don't have any chance at even doing the IE level > labs... > > >> > > > >> > -Joe > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > >> > Scott Morris > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:58 AM > > >> > To: 'Thornton, John A. CTR'; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > >> > Subject: RE: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions > > >> > > > >> > Would there be a point in going to a CCNP bootcamp after you have > > passed > > >> > your CCIE R&S Written exam, which you stated in order to join the > CCIE > > >> Lab > > >> > mailing list? > > >> > > > >> > Whether it's Netmetric Solutions or not, I'm not sure it's worth the > > >> > time/money, but that just my opinion. > > >> > > > >> > Scott > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > >> > Thornton, John A. CTR > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:12 AM > > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > > >> > Subject: Experience with CCNP Netmetric-Solutions > > >> > > > >> > All, > > >> > > > >> > I'm seriously considering going to netmetric-solutions CCNP boot > camp > > >> and > > >> > was wondering if anyone has heard, or experienced, anything good/bad > > >> with > > >> > there training. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > John > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Muhammad Nasim > > >> Network Engineer > > >> Saudi Arabia > > >> > > >> > > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> Subscription information may be found at: > > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > >> > > >> > > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> Subscription information may be found at: > > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Muhammad Nasim > > Network Engineer > > Saudi Arabia > > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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